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[Firewind]

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Okay now I know that we're handling the spells like that. I think we will see Giant Theron and probably Giant Jarre much more often.

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[Armando]

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Oh so we're doing it like Clerics.

Yeah, pretty much.

Also, I just found one of the must fun and interesting spells in a while:

Channel magical power into target to fuel their spellcasting. The next 3rd level or lower spell target casts does not expend a spell slot; instead you use your spell slot to power their spell.

It's a third level spell available to almost every spellcaster (except Paladin), and it increases our flexibility when it comes to choosing spells. Mezlo and I could both prepare that spell and if I see we're going to need more than one Fireball or Enlarge Person or Gravity Bow, I cast it on him before he casts his spell. If we see we're gonna need another use of Obscuring Mist or Protection From Evil or Silence, he casts it on me. In that way we don't have to pack as many extras of critical spells and can instead bring a wider variety of spells, knowing that we can do a second cast of any of them as long as they're 3rd level or lower.

[Firewind]

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Oh so we're doing it like Clerics. Okay that is going to be awesome. I wish I realised this easier actually since I've been restricting myself to the same spells since I started taking Wizard levels

[Yygdrasil]

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No, he's letting them work like Sorcerers in as much as they just remember their spells rather than lugging around a huge spellbook with all of them written down. He's also omitting the part where you have to purchase a metric fuckton of spell components.

You're not getting to spontaneously decide which spell to cast at any given moment, you still have to prep X instances of Magic Missle and Mage Armor.

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You're still not understanding...

There is no need to learn spells and there is no spellbook. We have access to all the spells that are within level to cast, some might be off limits but I haven't encountered one yet. Whenever we rest you prepare what spells you want per the number of spells you an cast. You use the spells and then when we rest you can memorize the same spells or new spells.

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With the way he worded it, it sounds like Wizards don't need to prepare spell slots. If that is the case I can leave my Spellbook somewhere safe (Like on Jaggerbad or something or in a secure room in the Feywild) so I can still use it to learn new spells (unless we don't need the book to learn new spells), but going into a combat encounter being able to cast like a Sorc.

I was actually going to go Rogue/Sorc at first but wanted the versatility, School Specialisations (Illusion Specialisation with Necromancy and Enchantment as barred schools) and ability to learn new spells that a Wizard has. Plus Arcane Bond is a really nice Class Feature. too since it is basically a free spell slot of any level for your Specialised School (I'm an Illusionist, good god this is going to be fun).

That ruling is kind of insane since if we ever find a scroll, Mez and I can just learn what is on it when we can get back to our books and be able to cast it from then on.

Not this

[Mezlo]

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You're still not understanding...

There is no need to learn spells and there is no spellbook. We have access to all the spells that are within level to cast, some might be off limits but I haven't encountered one yet. Whenever we rest you prepare what spells you want per the number of spells you an cast. You use the spells and then when we rest you can memorize the same spells or new spells.

[Firewind]

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No, he's letting them work like Sorcerers in as much as they just remember their spells rather than lugging around a huge spellbook with all of them written down. He's also omitting the part where you have to purchase a metric fuckton of spell components.

You're not getting to spontaneously decide which spell to cast at any given moment, you still have to prep X instances of Magic Missle and Mage Armor.

In other words... Im letting Wizards keep their enormous pool of spell choices but allow them to remember and cast spells like Sorcerers.

With the way he worded it, it sounds like Wizards don't need to prepare spell slots. If that is the case I can leave my Spellbook somewhere safe (Like on Jaggerbad or something or in a secure room in the Feywild) so I can still use it to learn new spells (unless we don't need the book to learn new spells), but going into a combat encounter being able to cast like a Sorc.

I was actually going to go Rogue/Sorc at first but wanted the versatility, School Specialisations (Illusion Specialisation with Necromancy and Enchantment as barred schools) and ability to learn new spells that a Wizard has. Plus Arcane Bond is a really nice Class Feature. too since it is basically a free spell slot of any level for your Specialised School (I'm an Illusionist, good god this is going to be fun).

That ruling is kind of insane since if we ever find a scroll, Mez and I can just learn what is on it when we can get back to our books and be able to cast it from then on.

[Mezlo]

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I think fire is the only one not aware of this, lol...

[cidbahamut]

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Wait, you are letting WIZARDS act like Sorcs in how they can use spell slots and cast and prepare spells?

WHY THE FUCKING FUCK WAS I NOT INFORMED OF THIS?

No, he's letting them work like Sorcerers in as much as they just remember their spells rather than lugging around a huge spellbook with all of them written down. He's also omitting the part where you have to purchase a metric fuckton of spell components.

You're not getting to spontaneously decide which spell to cast at any given moment, you still have to prep X instances of Magic Missle and Mage Armor.

[Armando]

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Wait, you are letting WIZARDS act like Sorcs in how they can use spell slots and cast and prepare spells?

WHY THE FUCKING FUCK WAS I NOT INFORMED OF THIS?

Wait what? I thought Sorcerers don't prepare spells beforehand.

From what I understand you just don't have the burden of the spellbook.

[Firewind]

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Wait, you are letting WIZARDS act like Sorcs in how they can use spell slots and cast and prepare spells?

WHY THE FUCKING FUCK WAS I NOT INFORMED OF THIS?

[Mezlo]

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In all reality, Mezlo... consider yourself lucky that I'm not playing Wizard as they should be played. You'd be doing the same thing you do now, blowing shit away with your crossbow and tearing shit up.

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So maybe now you understand the frustration that I have with you primarily using a crossbow. I did away with all the stuff that makes Wizard a hard class to suffer through and yet you don't even cast spells unless they augment your Crossbow or your ability to use a crossbow.
The occasional Fire-based spells aside, you don't actually take advantage of the fact that the way I let wizards work is OP all on its own.

Please, please, please, stop being frustrated by the way I play my character. I don't know what else I can say, or do, or how much more pleading I need to do. For the love of god, please realize this is a roll playing game and we play our characters the way we want to play our characters. It really sounds like you wanted to play wizard in a campaign and never got to, so you are being overly critical on everything i do, trying to project the way you would play a wizard and that's really not fair. I mean Jesus Christ man, there's such thing as putting in your 2 cents and providing helpful input, much like Fire has done, thank you Fire, but all you do is critcize, and in a non-productful manner. It's like you have some sort of chip on your shoulder or something and I'm not understanding where it's coming from. My character is designed as a DD, and as Cid pointed out last session, i think you were walking the dog, I'm at the top of the list when it comes to most damage dealt. Jarre's up there with me, but... The only thing you keep saying is how in the future I wont be able to stack up with the rest of the DD'ers, you know what, let's see if that time ever comes. I think I've put my character together with a hell of a DD arsenal. (See my post earlier about what my attack rolls and damage rolls will be when i hit level 9, and that's before I ever get my Arcane Archer going.) I love ya man, but please, please, please, GET OFF MY BACK!!!!!

PS. i cant wait for next session...

[Yygdrasil]

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In other words... Im letting Wizards keep their enormous pool of spell choices but allow them to remember and cast spells like Sorcerers.

In all reality, Mezlo... consider yourself lucky that I'm not playing Wizard as they should be played. You'd be lugging around a big huge spell book, collecting components to cast spells, paying money for various ingredients, spending hours a day writing spells down in your book and forcing you to pick only 1 school of magic to specialize in.

I threw all of that out because I was happy that someone wanted to be a Wizard. So maybe now you understand the frustration that I have with you primarily using a crossbow. I did away with all the stuff that makes Wizard a hard class to suffer through and yet you don't even cast spells unless they augment your Crossbow or your ability to use a crossbow.

The occasional Fire-based spells aside, you don't actually take advantage of the fact that the way I let wizards work is OP all on its own.

[Mezlo]

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Also I don't want to use up all of the uses of that Jump Scroll unless we need to. I'd like to save the last charge and copy it to my spellbook before we use it.

We don't have a "spellbook." We have access to all the spells, we just pick which ones we want to cast and memorize them.

[Yygdrasil]

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i believe it does.

[Armando]

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Also that means I get my spellcaster levels back which means my buffs last for longer:

Doesn't that mean you have an extra Level 1 spell slot?