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[supertle]

And no, they weren't all newbs (some of them were advance job/adavnce job sub) ....I may be something you don't want me to be, but I know how to play the game!

i don't think you know how to play the game well, but hey it's just my opinion based on all your comments of which i have to read hard and again to understand, i don't think anyone cares what you want to be, we'll just tell you if that job is good or not, but if u r so bent on being so unique (i say moronic) to go against common sense, cheers to you

i didn't know having an Advance Job/ Advance job sub makes the person an uber player ... more likely the case of a player like you who's trying to be unique

it's very late at night now, 4am, maybe my mind isn't thinking straight, can you name some adv job/adv sub that are really good, b/c i can't come up with one now

drk/pld, drk/smn, drk/nin, drk/rng, drk/rng, drg/bst
pld/drk, pld/smn, pld/nin, pld/rng, pld/bst, pld/nin
smn/drk, smn/nin, smn/rng, smn/bst, smn/pld
nin/drk, nin/rng, nin/bst, nin/pld
drg/smn, drg/drk, dmg/pld, ...
sam/drk, sam/drg, sam/pld, sam/nin
rng/smn, rng/drk, rng/bst

do u see anything above that is a good combo? it's not a complete list
the only closest thing i think having decent advanced job/advanced sub is a melee class like drg/sam or drk/sam but even those are debatable

[FFXITsukasa]

I completly agree with Tavian_Northe. Why should the Black Mage stop his job of nuking and enfeebling to heal when that is what a White Mage is for. Ever group I have been in has had a Black Mage for damaging and a White Mage for healing that way you always have constant damage and constant healing. Makes sense to me.

[pcidll]

Constant damage = pull aggro all the time, piss people off, waste white mages mp on healing you since you cant heal yourself, wasting your mp on constant nukes to where you can get max of chain 1 or 2

constant healing = see above please

be a BLM/SMN, its your game you pay for it, we are offering reasons why you might want to reconsider

[almighty_boof]

Ok..i think I started going off on many different tangents......For that i appologize. But you can't really say that a BLM/SUM is a horrible sub! It is ludicous to think so. Of course you won't get invites as quickly as a /WHM or /RDM but people will STILL invite you! And OMG how dumb! Have you seen my stats? NO! I meant experience actually being a BLM/SUM YOURSELF and tell me what its like. And whoever it was saying that I have no idea what Blink and Invisible is.....I kinda explained why you shouln't need it too bad in my last post. Of course it couldn't get shot down because there was nothing bad to say about it. Ugh....My point isn't to say that /SUM is the best sub! I know its not. I KNOW that /WHM is the best then /RDM. Many people think those are the only "real" subs for a BLM. I'm just trying to get the point across that a few spells aren't going to matter much. Oh SUMs do get a fat MP boost, bu tthey also get the largest INT boost of all the subs. I'm done after this.....SIck of arguing sick of bringing up the same stuff that people refuse to acknowledge.

I want to be a BLM and only a BLM. I don't want to help people with stat boosts and whatnot. I just want to blow up the bad guy. If people can't realize that, then I don't even want to party with them anyways. In YOUR surver, mabey people are really precise and stuff, but i happen to like my surver, many people I've partied with are nice and supportive. And of course when i come on here and start saying that /SUM isn't a bad choice people have to go off and say all these things just to make themselves fell better about themselves. (insecure selves) So after thi, keep talking trash, go ahead, i don't really care, I know that I'll get plenty of invites and I'm going to be enjoying my gaming experience as my BLM/SUM

^_^

Have fun ripping me to shreds!

[Kirara]

i have used BLM/SMN in many occasions when its needed (75blm 55smn)
i seriously don't see that much of an MP boost, for an elvaan it's probably about 66 more mp and for a taru that's 100 more mp at max at level 75
and the int boost is worse than /rdm and there is no magic attack up

orz
blm/smn is a horrible combo at normal leveling up, which is what you will be doing for a long long time
don't like this? shoot me D;/ orz

[FFXITsukasa]

Well I dont think Black Mage Summoner is a bad idea. I agree constant nuking is bad but so is constant healing. Its proven healing causes more agro than most offensive spells, I mean wouldnt you get pissed off at the guy healing your enemy?! And we aren't ignoring you guys and your reasonings we take it into thought. And as for the group thing I have a total of 7 friends that I am in contact with that all play. So I dont have to worry about groups.

[Fippish]

and the int boost is worse than /rdm and there is no magic attack up

Sorry RDM magic attack up doesn't stack with BLM attack up, I've tested it quite thoroughly, and it's been discussed to death.

But it is still infinitely better than SMN sub, the more I play the more I realize it is NOT a viable sub. EVERY caster should have invis/sneak IMO, if I was grouped with a SMN subbed blm, I wouldn't feel particularly sorry for him if his sneak wore off and he died. (We mages already have to constantly refresh ourself and melees when moving places)

[FFXITsukasa]

Sneak is White Mage correct? If so thats the White Mages job no others. If you have a Black Mage/White Mage and a Red Mage/White Magewho would do the healing? In my own humble opinion a support job should never be counted on to act as a main. (For example a Thief/Black Mage shouldn't be used to nuke and a Black Mage/White Mage shouldn't be used as a parties main healer. Thats just how I see it though. So I think the difference between having Summoner or White Mage as my sub doesn't matter to me seeing in how its skills won't be used to support the group as much as my mains abilities will. You sub job is just to provide a bit of back up, ya know? I mean tell me if I am wrong but thats what I get from it.

[Shiia]

... can't stop laughing at the unique comments I am seeing in the screen. Sorry, sorry, for the flame but honestly you are one of the most uninformed newcommer I have ever met. So you saying just because its a white magic its a white mage job? A sub-job is there to enhance your main job. Period. A viable subjob is a sub which gives new abilities who benefits the main subjob. Period. Subbing Whm will give cures to you and to your party which is a benefit. Period. Subbing a summoner will benefit you for supplying more mp for your nuke at the cost of lowering party performance for no back up heals. I bet you will simply let some of your party members die if your healer is out of mp and you subbing sum and telling off people its not your job to heal.

Edit: Changed to a less offensive style.

[Netrus]

ima blm/whm..i like this combo.. hurt some enemies while healing myself..or just going around helpin ppl that are soloing. but i need to lvl my whm just a tad. anyways i dont think being a blm/smn is good as a blm/whm but none the less it works. i wanna be a drk/blm sometime.. but ima lvl my blm to the 70's before all that happens. ^^ ^^ ^^


*warps*

[Icemage]

FACT: People will play whatever the want, and whatever feels fun for them.

FACT: People will invite other people into parties that they think will provide the most enjoyable experience for them.

Those who advocate BLM/SMN have some valid points - the MP boost is there (even if it isnt terribly impressive), the avatars can provide a couple of nice effects (Notably Shining Ruby and Aerial Armor... I also believe Fenrir has some nifty abilities when subbed, but haven't seen him often enough to be sure yet). The summons can also be used for safer, link-free pulling. Auto-refresh is nice, even though it's totally eclipsed in effect by both Mage's Ballad II and Refresh.

However, it's tried, tested, and proven that BLM/WHM and BLM/RDM are significantly more flexible and useful than BLM/SMN. If you want to use /SMN, feel free. No one can stop you. However, don't be surprised if you end up waiting longer for parties than people using more effective combinations. If you're ok with this, then more power to you - after all a BLM is still a BLM regardless of the subjob. Whether this reasoning will continue to hold true once you get past level 50, when XP time gets significantly longer, is a matter of open debate on most servers.


Icemage

[Sadeira]

of course there's the whol matter of GETTING the summons... and you have to be at least level 60 before anyone will even CONSIDER helping you with summons. so yeah, smn without summons is still useless

[FFXITsukasa]

I will have plenty of people to help me get the summons ^_^ I wanna be a Blm/ Drg. That way I can Jump on people and beat them with my staff. I could just picture the little *plunk* and this Quadav falling backwards in a comatose state. ^_^ What fun!

[FFXITsukasa]

And to Shii, the point about it is if you have a Blm/Whm and a Whm/Blm the hell would you get the Blm to cure when it is the Whm's main job and he can do it better than the Blm, and have the Blm stop enfeebling and nuking. It makes no sense what so ever. And I have played FFXI a bit and thats why this makes no sense to me. On EQ you get a Cleric to heal, eqivalant to a Whm, If you have a Necromancer and a Cleric in group the Cleric heals because thats his job and the Necromancer enfeebles, thats his job. Its common sense, none of this uninformed crap its common sense.

[almighty_boof]

They are trying to say that you need o back up heal. And if you can't back up heal then you won't be able to get into a party. PERIOD. There is no way out. If you're not a BLM/WHM or WHM/BLM then you won't get into a party unless it is with your a RL friend. Also you won't be able to use the two "must have" abilities Invisible and Blink. If you don't have these its a fact you will die. Tanks won't be able to save you. Back-ups won't be able to save you. WHMs or BRDs won't be able to save you. So you aree basically a worthless character if you do not do exactly what they say, when they say it. You must obey their every order and you cannot play the game how you want to, you must do it how they want to. (There is a LOT of sarcasm in this, but some truth). It is how Square designed the game, it must be played a certain way to be "succesful". This doesn't bother me.

I'm still gonna be a BLM/SUM reguardless. People are telling me all these different statistics as to how I'll never get a party and stuff. But it is impossible to NOT get into a party in this game. I may wait a little longer, but when there are no mages up, or they have a couple WHMs or a couple BRDs or both, they will want me in there for magic casting. I'm not going to argue that /SUM is better than /WHM because i already know its "the best". I would just love to be what i want to be, and all I ask for is support, after all none of you are in my server anyways.

Oh and a BLM/DRG might be kind of dangerous considering you will build monsterous amounts of hate whil you cast and while you Jump. And because of the people always wanting stuff to be a certain way, you'll have a tough time finding a party. But don't let me or anyone else stop your goal! Don't listen to what the "experts" *snicker* have to say and go for it! I know you can do it if you reeally want to! Be different! And make people laugh!

Good bye! \ (^_^) /