(name deleted) steals 4.5 million from honest players

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by Yuna
BTW, i appreciate you using my character's name as meaning "filthy greedy" lol

Regardless, you are damn good at finding pr0n :D

BTW, have you tried searching on bittorrent? *shh*

[Grahf]

"Grahf u have no idea what happened, you weren't there. You only have the information on this boards, which all is extremely rash. "

EXACTLY! I only have the information on this board, along with every other person you are trying to convince to hate Gatts. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU? The quote that i just posted shows that you guys aren't giving us all the information, so there is no reason to believe any of this. You're contradicting yourselves. Don't make a fucking thread to ruin a person's reputation if you can't back it up you dumbasses. The point of this thread is to tell what happened to people not involved in the incident. You have failed in doing so, and I am pointing that out, but instead of admitting that you just tell me to leave. Well fuck you guys, have fun on ragnarok, I'm glad I won't be playing with assholes like you. YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN A THING!

[Awntawn]

Grahf you don't know how the whole HNM system works. A lot of people all go "So if you gave him money, tough. you were stupid to trust him." That attitude proves ignorance, and discounts your words. The whole HNM system is based on trust. Almost every LS out there, among all the worlds, not just Ragnarok, do the same thing. The spoils go to the leader first, and it's his responsibility to ensure that each member gets their fair share. The whole HNM system is based on a competitive trust.

Unlike you, many of the people that we want to understand this ordeal know about the trust and honor system that the concept of hunting HNM's spins on, and they all know how low the described actions are. Even if he did not intend on scamming us from the start, what he ended up doing was extremely dishonorable, and deserves shame. You wouldn't understand, so like I said before:

Shut your hole, you're making yourself look stupid.

[Deli]

does it mean that being a LS leader, u can't leave the LS/ game at any point of time? It must have been a painful decision for Gatts to make.

Yes, we are short of pld to fight bigger HNM, but RE leader was not the one who suggested getting Gatts. If anyhing matters go to kitty. He started the fire, lol

Look, I agree that Gatts joined RE a little too quick, I think he is disillusioned. and i dun think he should have hunt with RE earlier too. But hey, losing members is not un-common to HMN LS(go look around other JPN LS), just like any organisation. > Xuande. when u left RE w/o telling us, was it right in principle? Did any go around shouting/ cussing?

About the guild: it was a bad move to pass all gils to some to make(which some of us in RE will wondering), but since it was whole LS agreement, get on with it. Tanner is one of the most depleting gil crafting, cos everything u make to skill up, u only get back 10~30%, unlike some others. 70 tanner guild can't make much, alot of u pple dun know how hard it is to make gils from crafting, pls note this, u prolly need a lot more other guild to complement, just like sub-jobs. HQ dun come easily too.

I should say the gils spent on Gatts is kinda wasted, cos he cant continue guilding for ur. But I dun belive he own the LS 4.5 mil. so, i suggest u pple calculate each earnings, ... and give a better option to Gatts, ... knowing he got nothing to return

So, plz get on with hunting HNM in ur new LS, prolly get a better leader. Not against X in any sort, but he is too petty to be one.

> seishi, If HNM goodies is to be split/ shares, gils given to each, I wont even be bothered hunting. .... eg: argus

Sidenote: Anyway, if BoH is hunting the same old 5 HNM, lol, RE is and has been doing the same the past 4 months.

[joey_pizz]

If it was such a "painful" decision then why did he aggree to join the day he was asked?? Seems like he was hoping for the chance...

[Skye]

<---dont give a crap (i guess is cuz i hardly participate in any HNM hunts and im just not too deep into this stuffs)


BUT HEY HERODRINK, WE GOTTA HUNT ARGUS YO, EACH OF US GETS 1 argus necklace AND THEN HUNT IT EVERY1s A WHILE FOR JUST <PURE MONEY>


XDDD

[Elite]

Xua/Awn>>Replace the PLD with a better one after you guys have settled out something and start over. Grahf its not like people go right away to hnm spot and kill. You spend too much time just for the spawn and if the unfortunate happens, after 4-5 hours you lose the catch.

So it's hard to just let go of these things, try to understand when the efforts was done over 15 times then at the end being left behind.

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by joey_pizz
If i do recall, the only people who weren't upset disapointed w/e was Gantoris and Orts. Oh and Herodrink but he doesn't count. :p

I wasn't upset. I was a little dissapointed because I figured I wouldn't get to kill any more HNM's for a long time, but I enjoyed being able to kill behemoth, simurgh and roc. For all the level 60's and around in our linkshell, realize that we wouldn't be accepted into another hnm ls, we were lucky to be able to kill those at all.
I had fun, but all things come to an end
whatever happens, happens.

[abknight]

I was going to respond to everyone's post and prove you all wrong, again, since you all have been repeating the same thing over and over in every single post, even after people's replies completely disprove everything you say. Instead, i'm going to sum up everything that has happened and explain what is happening now. I left the Hawks to finish pursuing my ultimate goal in the game. Other than that, there is no reason for me to play. I had some friends in the LS, but for the most part, the people participating were people I did not like. That is one of the reasons I didn't want to merge with requiem in the first place. Sure, those people participated the most, other than me. But the LS was an unenjoyable place for everyone except those people. No matter what people on this board say, I am in NO WAY WHATSOEVER obligated to stay with any LS, even one that I started. When I left, I tried to pass the leadership on so that people who were going to play longer than me and still wanted to hunt HNM could do so. I gave back everything we had earned and still had. The gil I had spent on guilding was not wasted, because I told everyone that I would continue to make items for them as long as I played. HOWEVER, everyone instantly gave up, claimed they had seen this coming, and proclaimed me a fraud. The people who "put so much time in and got nothing" get no sympathy from me. If you want something badly enough in this world, you have to reach out and take it for yourself. You can't expect everyone to do everything for you all the time. The LS could have continued, but the other members chose to abandon it like the cowards they really are. They're reactions showed that THEY were the ones using ME for their own personal gain. No matter what guild skill I earned while in the LS, it means nothing. I'll probably never guild again unless the new LS requests an item be made (not RE, the new "Hawks"). As for people saying that I did a shameful thing and I should be ashamed of myself: I don't. I don't owe any of you people anything. You spent time on the LS just like I did. It didn't work out in the end, but you guys got all the goodies and you are the ones that are definately going to keep playing. I don't feel sorry for you, and don't think for a second that I'm trying to get pity from anyone by posting this, because, like I said, I know I did nothing wrong.

RE is not using me. I joined out of my own free will. It's exactly what I wanted and chose to do. Awn, I did saw that the LS I was making was going to only hunt when people wanted to, and I went along with it happily for a month. But things do happen in and out of game. You don't know everything about my life; who I am, where I am now, what I'm doing. You have no right to tell me wtf I can or can't do, or what I should be ashamed of doing or not doing. Only I control what I do, so don't blame this on Kitty or anyone else in RE. Awn, having this many people pissed off at me doesn't mean I messed up, it means that a certain group of people are whiny babies who can't do anything for themselves or take their fate into their own hands. I couldn't care less what anyone in FFXI thinks of me, but if anyone should be disappointed right now, it's me. People have come out and stab me in the back that I really thought were my friends. Buttermilk is the worst example out of all of you. That's the most hurtful thing anyone has ever said to me, and only because I actually thought you were my friend, whereas it was obvious that a lot of other people who turned on me were only trying to use me all along.

Sey, I don't even know who in the hell you are. You randomly messaged me a few days ago begging me to let you join the LS with your lv18 BLM. When I told you no, you threw a hissy fit and gave me some stupid sob story about how all youre "real good pals from requiem" joined my LS so you can't talk to them anymore. When you asked me to join, I asked the LS what they thought about it. All the people from requiem who were online at the time said "NO, do not let sey join. he is a real jerk." I don't know why you hate me, or other people who aren't even involved in this. This really makes no sense. Everyone against me is not looking at all of the facts. They are ignoring all of my logical explanations and going with X's BS accusations of me being a thf and traitor. A thief is someone who steals, not someone who is given. If you are all so worried about what you will do without your great leader and master tanner (even though I already offered to continue to make stuff), then why don't you invite Drako to join? He's lv80+ tanner. That would solve all of your heartbreaking problems.

You continue to defend X by saying he's only screaming out a possibility. Too many people are oblivious to what X really is. X is a mid 20's guy with a serious psychological problem called paranoia. He always thinks someone is scheming against him. This is not the first time that X has had a serious problem with people on Ragnarok and completely gone overboard. This is how big, mature X tried to deal with the situation:

He immiately accused me, cussed me out, and left. He continually harassed me all night, and when I blacklisted him, He shouted in Jeuno and then in Behemoth's domain about his fantasy. Later, in an AIM conversation, here are some things that he said to me that are seriously crazy, and people who think that he's "a normal person just trying to get what he deserves" should know (note, I have edited language and not included everything. I am simply showing that he is literally a raving madman. I said in an earlier post that I would not post private conversations, but this really needs to be read by some).

RyuuGenntoku: you have ****ed with the wrong people
RyuuGenntoku: know you deserve whats coming to you
RyuuGenntoku: you think this is just a game, then i hope you can deal with what happens
RyuuGenntoku: i'm not bluffing
RyuuGenntoku: i dont need
RyuuGenntoku: to

RyuuGenntoku: to you its a game
RyuuGenntoku: thats why you're an ***hole

ABknight10: you're reputation is ruined xuande, not mine
RyuuGenntoku: thats what i want gatts
RyuuGenntoku: thats who i am
RyuuGenntoku: i have balls
RyuuGenntoku: and i dont care
RyuuGenntoku: which is my single greatest asset
RyuuGenntoku: apathy
RyuuGenntoku: but when people **ck with me
RyuuGenntoku: they dont get away with it

RyuuGenntoku: you are blind if you dont see the consequences
RyuuGenntoku: i'm just the only one who will tell you how much an ***hole you are
RyuuGenntoku: because everyone else likes to avoid conflict
RyuuGenntoku: i love conflict

I didn't want to have to post this, but other people need to realise that Xuande has a serious problem. The rest of the conversation is worse, but this is enough to show that he is seriously crazy. The things he has accused me of are completely false.

Xuande and everyone who told this Grahf guy to shut up. He was an outside obvserver. You all took him for a noob, but he has just as much, or more, common sense than any of you have, so he can see what's going on just as well as anyone. WTF do you know about honor, valor, and those other things that Sey accused me of lacking. Neither you, sey, nor anyone else here has any of those characteristics. You're a pack little dogs with big barks, hiding behind your computers, angrily retaliating at someone you met in a video game who did something you didn't like. BOO ****ING HOO. I'm done with all of you. I've said all that can possibly be said about this. I'm not a liar, a cheater, a thief or a traitor, yet I could not care less whether any of you believe me, like me, or look up to me. It really is too bad that you guys let money get in the way of a friendship that could have been. I did not wrong anyone. You people need to go to counseling with X if you are actually upset at all by anything that has happened in the past 2 days. This is my final post. Goodbye.

[Xuande]

Xuande. when u left RE w/o telling us, was it right in principle? Did any go around shouting/ cussing?

I did not rip anyone off or steal anything. I simply left because I did not feel needed. I came in with nothing and I left with nothing. I wouldn't have it any other way.

So, plz get on with hunting HNM in ur new LS, prolly get a better leader. Not against X in any sort, but he is too petty to be one.

I'm sorry that I have values and morals, when many people are unaware that there are such words.

As I'm sure kitty is going to "ROLF" or "LMAO" at this sentence, let me just say that laughter is the best way to prove someone wrong.

[Xuande]

Gatts, thats great how you edited out every single thing you said.

*Thinks back to last night*

I dont recall talking to myself; I swear there was someone talking back to me...

He wasn't exactly the most friendly person either (as you can see from Awn's conversation log), but who is when you're pissed? Post the whole thing if you're going to post anything, or are you too afraid of what people will think of you?

If you want to take things out of context, I can do it too.

ABknight10: [edit] i [edit]
ABknight10: [edit] am [edit]
ABknight10: [edit] a [edit]
ABknight10: [edit] thief

/bows

[Deli]

Originally posted by Xuande


I did not rip anyone off or steal anything. I simply left because I did not feel needed. I came in with nothing and I left with nothing. I wouldn't have it any other way.

gatts came in and left with nothing. if u say lv70 tanner, he say he will continuing guilding for u all.

does ur LS have a treasurer?

[struck]

** Off topic **

Shinjii "I told Gatts that I will leave if you and Russta came in so to as to prevent both of Ikari and I from running into conflicts. Gatts said told me not to leave. But, I have posted in the Band of the Hawks forum right now, that I will leave so that both of you can have the rightful place in that LS."

What happened with this Gatts? Guess we didn't fit in even when you had no reason not to invite us eh? I never said I was mad or bitter so i'm not sure why you've gone and listed my name, but if you play your cards just right you might just make me mad. Please don't tell me how I feel because you don't know me.

[Xuande]

Sorry I just keep finding more fun in this:

I didn't want to have to post this, but other people need to realise that Xuande has a serious problem. The rest of the conversation is worse, but this is enough to show that he is seriously crazy. The things he has accused me of are completely false.

Argumentum ad hominem

Because I'm crazy, my statements are false. It's called a fallacy gatts. Look it up.

[Xuande]

Originally posted by Deli


gatts came in and left with nothing. if u say lv70 tanner, he say he will continuing guilding for u all.

does ur LS have a treasurer?

A lv70 tanner will do us no good, we need to increase it to 80+. We obviously can't give gatts money to do this anymore as he's not a member of our team. Therefore we either have to start from the beginning again or find another tanner.

The money was completely wasted (in gatts' case) or stolen (in our case).