(name deleted) steals 4.5 million from honest players

[Buttermilk]

Wow.

I don't care about the money, or any other issues, and I hardly play anymore - but I have to wonder...

How can the FOUNDER of his own HNM LS dump his own LS, betray his friends, and go join another more "JP" HNM LS?

Wasn't the whole idea based on the goal to have an all-importer HNM LS that could actually work and compete favorably against more established JP HNM LS?

As the founder and the leader, Gatts COULD NOT and SHOULD NOT have left his own HNM LS - no matter what his own personal preferences were.

This is such a disappointing news - to know that Gatts is such a sell-out..... and I thought he was such a responsible, mature gamer.... how wrong I was.

In my opinoin , Gatts deserves every criticism and harassment. Xuande is doing a good job publicizing this incident.

[Awntawn]

I'm beyond the whole scam idea. I know that Gatts probably really is broke without money now, and that he most likely did not intend on scamming us all when he originally started the linkshell.

BUT

When we allowed the designated guilders to have the money, we did it under the condition that they use it to benefit the LS later on. We didn't throw the gil at them and say have fun. It wasn't a gift; we placed upon them a trust that they would use it for the good of the LS. When you take on a responsibility like this, you don't just up and leave it all. Sheer and utter irresponsibility. Aside from Ariele, the other designated guilders have shown that they are extremely irresponsible, have no human integrity, and are completely unworthy of trust. As a result, we send out a strong pre-warning to the members of RE of the type of person you're taking in. He did it once, he can do it again.

For you idiotic newbies out there who don't even know what an HNM is, just shut your hole and stay out of it. No one reads your poorly worded, unparagraphed messes of text anyhow. We see it, we don't read it. All we know is that some moron is rambling about shit he where he has no idea wtf he's talking about.

[Grahf]

Except for that I do know what I'm talking about. You may think you sound cool talking down to a person like that, but your words are empty. You don't know me or what I know, so get off your god damn throne, and show some respect for other people.

edit-but then again, I do envy your word arranging skills, you're really cool man

[Seishi]

wow...I've only been out for a few months and we have a big problem on Rag again. /sigh

hm...I know that the leader of a LS is a hard job, if you decided to create a LS. You should be responsible for the members.

I created a LS long time ago, but because of many problems. I was never handing pearl out to anyone. I'm the only one on my LS now.
But now, I'm thinking of recruiting Buttermilk because she's a kitty. lol j/k.

It's just also a game but many people spent a lot of time on this game and archived many good things and made a lot of friends. From the start, the LS should have just divided the money when they killed each HNM to each member just to be fair.

[abknight]

Originally posted by Xuande


Unwittingly, as gatts is too stupid to understand Japanese, he had me translate 2 sentences for him about a month ago, before guild money was divided up:

The first was "I'm worried because we don't have any PLDs"

The second was "Would you please join our LS? ><"

Now, I'm not exactly sure how many HNM LS's out there have no PLDs but the only one that comes to mind is Rubyeyes.

Of course, when I translated this for gatts, I took it as a joke. I wasn't expecting him to backstab us. But obviously this is a move he's been deciding well before guilding money was divided.

I'm not spreading lies. Gatts knows we had this conversation. And I know. If gatts denies it, the only one he's lying to is himself and all of you. The truth will always be there regardless of what you can convince everyone of, gatts. Just know you'll never fool me. I'm greater than you.

x, i remember exactly who that was. it was a rdm from darkness knights. drako also asked me to join them. good try though, keep making stuff up.

[Seymour]

Gatts is being Used

If you all haven’t noticed it all boils down to this. BandOfHawks always stole HNMs from RubyEyes. If you were the leader of RubyEyes, how would you loose you competition? That’s right; take the leader to the LS that stole the most stuff from you. Oh and guess what? The leader is an importer! What RubyEyes done is just made themselves even more successful they already are. Genius plan if you ask me. They just broke the LS that stole most the shit from them. Now they got everything to themselves. Obviously Gatts is being used. They offered him more than what he had so he took it. Even the LS leader knows this but he would rather have a whole HNM LS gone than a stealing member in the LS. Good luck to RubyEyes. I admire the man who came out with that strategy. Lol. Best thing to possible to do loose your competition.

[Aldo]

Oh and Herodrink but he doesn't count.

I don't count? Yea I guess so. Remember I left Requiem when you guys kicked out Ellone cuz i was upset w/ that avarice shit, now I see it again, so I think you guys just don't know how to deal with it. I sensed Gatts didn't like where his ls was going, for one thing you guys using it as a friends ls 90% of the time i dunno why you even abandoned your own ls and left out old school member like Seymoure, that was messed up. But like Seishi said, and Seymoure expanded on, theres no way you could continue an ls with the shell holder gone, so I think you should have gave notice that you were leaving; disbanding immediatley after a hnm fight, then hunting another hnm within 30min time period was very inconsiderate, and you hurt many peoples feelings (of course not mine ^^). That is the only thing I believe you should have done differently. Xuande, you need to hold back your emotion more and stop being so rash, it hurts your reputation even though I sympathize with you, you have to think more before you act. Everyone in the ls, i dunno what you plan to do, but I think you should hold off on hunting HNMs because you just aren't prepared to deal with the amounts of gil that come with it. I wish you all good luck, and please I hope you people are considerate of others feelings, because I look at the members posts and I see alot of betrayed feelings, which I think is the real problem this thread is dealing with (despite its material title ^^)

[Awntawn]

That's kind of a wild assumption there :sweat:

While it is true that we had beaten RE to some things before, I highly doubt we've been involved/successful enough to be considered a real threat :sweat:

But honestly kitty, I find it hard to believe that you were unaware of the fact that gatts was heading our LS.

Also, gatts' reasons for leaving the LS... he said that we were unable to fulfill his "dream" of fighting "hard" HNM's like fafnir and king behemoth, etc. I don't know about the others, but when I was offered to join, I had initially refused because I wouldn't be able to commit the required time that most of the hardcore HNM LS members give. He had said at the time, and I'm sure many others have heard this as well... "we are not that type of HNM LS, most likely we will only be able to hunt on weekends and holidays, because I know we all have busy stuff to do." And yet you leave because you feel we aren't hardcore enough?

How the hell do you expect to kill fafnir when you invite people through a policy like that? Furthermore, when people are levelling, they're not hunting, and vice versa. You need level 70's to kill the hard HNM, which we don't have. You can't expect them to level up and hunt at the same time, especially people who joined under the terms of "not that hardcore"... You should have known full well what it would be like when you started it out with the policies. Abandoning them was the most irresponsible thing anyone could have ever done.

I know you likely can't pay the money back, perhaps you are poor or whatnot. I believe your story in that you had no intention to cheat any money out of us. Regardless, your actions are despicable. I, personally, am not expecting anymore payment from you (can't say much for the others), as there is no way that that can possibly happen. I do, however, expect you to feel extremely ashamed of what you did.

When you have this many people pissed off at you, you know you fucked up somewhere.

[Awntawn]

As for why the former members of requiem are the most hostile, different people contributed different amounts to the obtaining of the LS treasury. I refer you again to the chart of points that you yourself have been managing.

Here are your LS's "top contributers." I've made it easier and bolded the ones that have joined through Requiem

Gatts: 1,475,000GP
Xuande: 1,350,000GP
Lemia: 1,325,000GP
Orts: 1,325,000GP
Stryder: 1,100,000GP
Awntawn: 1,100,000GP
Blizzy: 1,075,000GP

It's completely black and white. This makes up for more than half of the points on the whole goddamn page. We did all the work, we spent the most time, we are the most affected. And I don't know about the others, but I do know one thing. I have acquired a good amount of points myself, and I haven't received shit. Nothing. Nada. Maybe an earth crystal, but that doesn't count. You want it back?

We did the work and we want our cut. If that's a mark of avarice, then so be it.

[Evilkitty]

sey u probly don't get my point, when my LS want me to recruit, i recruit only importers. otherwise, it won't be up to me to recruit ppl ;;;;;;

[Grahf]

First Gatts is the conspirer of the biggest robbery in ffxi history, now he is a pawn in the hands of a great power. Wow, you people like coming up with these conspiracies huh? I'm going to stop posting here because I can't gain or lose anything from this(which is why you should listen to me because I'm not biased like the rest of you so I can observe the facts and none of the other bullcrap that is being posted). Gatts has shown the holes in all of the evidence shown, and has proven that this was not an evil plan of his. Its just the way it turned out, and it sucks. You should all work together instead of freaking out like a bunch of babies and crying so you can get your money back. Anyways, I will leave you with the words of the egotistical maniac who started all this. He is having paranoid delusions, its really sad.

"Just know you'll never fool me. I'm greater than you."-Xuande, spreader of lies

[joey_pizz]

lol hero i was jk bout that

& for the record, i couldn't play for a few days and when i came bak no one was in requiem ><;; I haven't heard taht story.\

Grahf u have no idea what happened, you weren't there. You only have the information on this boards, which all is extremely rash.
SOOOOOOOO

STFUPLZKTHXBYE

[Awntawn]

First of all, Xuande is simply screaming out a possibility. As a victim, this is all he knows.

Second of all, Sey really has nothing to do with all of this, he's just screaming at Gatts cuz he hates him :p

Regardless, the fact remains that Gatts acted irresponsibly and immaturely, and had ended up negatively affecting a large number of people who had trusted him.

[Evilkitty]

sey, i luv your post, u can be a drama writer! ROFL

[Yuna]

Please don't involve Kitty and RE into this matter. I'm not defending the LS but the more you involve RE into this matter, the worse the importer image will be. One of the leaders are already getting /tells from various people. Please do not disturb him. He is a nice guy but don't piss him off with nagging comments.

BoH vs. Gatts is a seperate matter. We admit we got the recruiting timing way off but either than that we are innocent.

BTW, i appreciate you using my character's name as meaning "filthy greedy" lol