new SE interview by Bercus over on BG

[Murphie]

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Just as much as you need to wrap your head around the fact that the folks that are 10-70 are still allowed to want more content, because obtaining level 70+ doesn't mean that you automatically have more say.

I sympathise with the folks who are dissatisfied with endgame, but those people are never going to be happy anyway. Sure, you can pacify them for a bit, but they will just tear through any new endgame content that is added and then go back to complaining that there is nothing to do in very short order.

I also agree that the drop disparity in regard to gods and such is really something that SE needs to look at, but I don't think it's the most important or only item of importance that they should be worried about.

[Legal Fish]

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Level 10 to 70 have enough content to surfice them. They could use more insentive to do EFs and Garrions, but they are otherwise just fine. This isn't the case for 75s, despite SE focuses on it. You guys need to wrap your head around fact this isn't the amount of content, but what the content is.

[Murphie]

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His point wasn't that there are too few 75s to matter, but rather that there are still more people in the levels prior to 75 than at 75, no matter what you may believe to the contrary. Even if people weren't quitting en masse as you claim, there still wouldn't be more 75s than every other level.

SE does focus on the endgame from time to time. ToAU is clear indication of that. But that doesn't mean that endgame players are the only ones who matter, or the only ones who have valid questions or concerns about the game.

[Legal Fish]

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Its sort of a cycle. People at 75 quit because there its too exclusive and/or not rewarding enough, making it appear there are more low-levels causing them to ignore the end-game further, then those players who once made the game look low-level focus hit the end-game they quit making the game look low-level focused, and so on. However this isnt' the case with FFXI (yet). You mentallity supports this.

Either way all that needed to be said, has been said.

Oh, complimenting people who agree with you doesn't make you look right.

Is there any points I've missed? Because you arguement is that there are too few 75s to matter, which I've already addressed. And the fact SE does focus on the end-game, look at this whole expansion and the end of CoP.

[Taskmage]

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I was addressing Legal Fish, but thank you.

[Murphie]

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I know it doesn't matter, but I think your points have been well thought out and well intentioned, Task. But what do I know? I've only been playing this game for three years.

[Taskmage]

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Alright, I'll bite. What is it specifically about my mentality that is going to cause the game to continue to drop in population? Perhaps more to the point, what specific points have you made that you think I fail to acknowledge or understand?

[Murphie]

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You keep saying that what we think is important doesn't matter and that what you think is important does. I'm not sure what else I could possibly infer from that.

And I didn't say that you were calling people stupid.

[Legal Fish]

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As much as you think that Dak and Task and all of the rest of us here at FFXIO are completely wrong because we don't think that what you think is important is really all that important, doesn't mean that we're wrong.

Nice, put words in my mouth. There are plenty of posters who here who understand exactly what I'm saying. And you haven't been reading at all if you think calling people stupid is my arguement. I've already said all that needed to be said, now there are people who disagree, but those who do, have no experience. There is nothing left to do now, but to show how easily they can be discredited.

PS. I'll promise to be more civil, no matter how foolish the opposite side gets.

[Murphie]

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Honestly, if your only recourse is to call the other side "stupid" then you've kind of already lost the debate.

To add a bit more, because there's no sense in my just posting one liners either...

As much as you think that Dak and Task and all of the rest of us here at FFXIO are completely wrong because we don't think that what you think is important is really all that important, doesn't mean that we're wrong. We all pay to play the game. Same as you. Just because you think that your issues are more important doesn't necessarily make that so. We aren't idiots for disagreeing with you.

[Legal Fish]

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My point is that if you don't know what you are talking about, then don't talk about it. Its very hard to say this without... saying it.

[Caspian]

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Ok, seriously.
Is it necessary to continually put a post on every page of a thread reminding people to argue intelligently and not flame in a vain attempt to win an arguement? All insulting someone does is piss them off and cause them to insult you back. This is what we in the technical community call a 'vicious cycle'.
I think the majority of the members of this forum are considered adults by our governments, lets act like it. Debating is a healthy way of coming to new ideas and seeing other's points of view. Bickering and insulting one another only serves to decrease the collective intelligence of all those involved. Now, lets all start acting a little more mature and discuss this civilly.

[Mog]

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BRP AKA the instigator claims another victim.

[Legal Fish]

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Funny, I do remember you bringing up WoW... I only highlighted the fact you know so little about WoW(and FFXI).

Competition is competition, but if you want it all handed to you by all means switch to World of Warcraft.

You said...

It's called end game for a reason, because it's the end of the game. You can start over, or you can just sit there doing the same thing over and over. No more progression.

To what I said...

End-games have progression. All games have this. FFXI has it. And when you say it doesn't, at least be smart enough not to say in the next paragraph "FFXI has a lot of good progression".

Honestly, how would you know anything about FFXI's end-game or WoW's end-game? You've done neither.

If you think MC is the same of Naxx, you are mistaken. Both FFXI and WoW(though WoW recreated the MMORPG genre and FFXI is very alike EQ) are very original, but a fanboy can only see positive things about his game and only negative things about other games.

I get along with people who don't speak nonsense and think they are are proving a point. Luckily I know no people like this in any of the LSes I've been in.

[DakAttack]

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WoW isn't as easy as you think it is. FFXI has more gameplay in the lower levels, but it doesn't make WoW any 'easier' just because it doesn't. You seem to forget how shitty, incomplete, and ect FFXI was on its first year. Its a couple years old now and WoW is just about its equal on many things, a MMORPG thats getting its first expansion soon. WoW has better end-game progression, FFXI has more variety of content.

I stopped reading after this paragraph, because the rest was obviously going to be of the same caliber. You want to turn this into another FFXI vs WoW debate? An original plot vs copy and paste content debate? Be my guest, but I'll try to keep it on topic.

A game has to stop somewhere, and smart developers will realize this. Games CAN NOT continue forever just because the players complain, and developers can't drastically change things around because a minorty of the player base complains about it 24/7 on the forums. Most of Blizzard's changes came after a dozen or so people complained on their forums, and it always resulted in ruining the game in a new way. There's only so much you can do with a game, and trying to continuously extend or increase content will only water down the rest.

Blizzard just copies and pastes instance content and quests to satisfy their players. It works because they're a bunch of idiots who'd be content with watching sand sift through an hourglass. That wouldn't work in FFXI, you'd just end up complaining like you are now.

Just get over yourself already. You're obviously posting out of spite now, and probably because you keep getting the shaft when it comes to end game. I don't know who could stand you in their linkshell, but they're either just as bad as you or saints.

End-games have progression. All games have this. FFXI has it. And when you say it doesn't, at least be smart enough not to say in the next paragraph "FFXI has a lot of good progression".

Where did I say FFXI didn't have an end game? You're just so spiteful. Get banned already.