Ding dong the Witch is dead!

[WishMaster3K]

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The P- [La-Le-Lu-Le-Lo], of course!

Good point, thanks for correction.

[Draco Dagon]

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To respond to Draco (whom I will eagerly offer my DNA so that we might fuse some sort of super-being), the fact that Saddam received a lawyer is a testament to the brokenness of both this country's legal system and the morality of our lawyers (if it was ever there in the first place.)

Heh, absolutely... and yet, it's all payed for by our own taxes too. {/sigh}

[Caspian]

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Well, the reason everyone gets a lawyer, is because if you make one exception, then it gets easier and easier to make more exceptions. Eventually you cold have a situation where those w/o the money to hire their own lawyer are left without representation. Which in most cases means you will lose the case. I really can't believe I'm arguing a point that lies more towards the middle/left side of things. See, I'm not totally evil.
On the flip side, I'd be totally happy if they didn't execute Saddam and just placed him in general population. I'm sure he and Bubba would get along quite well.

[ValisOfValefor]

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On the flip side, I'd be totally happy if they didn't execute Saddam and just placed him in general population. I'm sure he and Bubba would get along quite well.

Hehehe

I can just see it now,

(end of the Saddam trail)

>Judge-Saddam i sentance you to life in prison.... with Bubba.
(Saddam looks around, and sees the gaurd bring in a large man who looks suprisingly like a big gilka)
(Bubba winks at Saddam)
<Saddam-NOOOOOOO!
>Bubba-Bowchikawowwow

[Karinya]

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That's a nice little speech, but the fact of the matter is, there are rules and laws that we have agreed to live by. It's a scary situation, and yeah, I'm glad that I'm not in it. But being scared doesn't justify treating other human beings, no matter how much we may dislike their own methods, and their own ideals in an inhuman fashion.

It's a bad situation all around. And I don't envy the soldiers there the position that they're in. It's a tough one. But that doesn't give them carte blanche to do as they please.

Hear, hear. (And let's not forget that the primary share of the blame belongs to those who LIED to get the soldiers into that situation in the first place.)

I want to live in a nation that is better than fascists and terrorists - EVEN IF IT KILLS ME. That is a moral stand. I would rather be DEAD than be a torturer. I would rather risk another terrorist attack - that might kill me or a member of my family - than turn a free country into a dictatorship.

You people who are willing to do anything to "win"... Don't you see that corrupting the USA's commitment to law and human rights will just create a copy of the evil we are supposedly fighting against? What good does it do to turn into a fascist society in order to oppose fascism? To kill thousands of innocent people so we can punish those horrible murderers who killed hundreds of innocent people?

And yes, I blame the people who carry out the orders just as much as the people who give the orders. The Nuremberg Defense was denied for a reason. Sometimes, it is your moral responsibility as a human being to throw off your indoctrination and defy those who are intimidating you. I hope that I will never be in that type of situation - I wish that nobody ever *was* in that type of situation - but even more, I hope that if I am in that situation, I will have the courage to do what is right. And I wish that others had that courage - Hitler, Hussein or Bin Laden could never have risen to power if they did.

[Maju]

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And I wish that others had that courage - Hitler, Hussein or Bin Laden could never have risen to power if they did.

Actually, Hitler was seen as a very dangerous man by many in the German military already before WW2. There were multiple assassination attemps by German soldiers and officers against Hitler, but none of them were successful.

[Draco Dagon]

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On the flip side, I'd be totally happy if they didn't execute Saddam and just placed him in general population. I'm sure he and Bubba would get along quite well.

We agree on that.

[Sokarr]

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will update later.

[Rodin]

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http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iraq

If anyone sympathizes with people who are actually members of Al-Quaeda, who are in Guantanamo Bay now....I think you need to reposition your stance.

Right now, this has made me sick. We're not dealing with people, we're dealing with barbarians and cut-throats.

[Maju]

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If anyone sympathizes with people who are actually members of Al-Quaeda, who are in Guantanamo Bay now....I think you need to reposition your stance.

Right now, this has made me sick. We're not dealing with people, we're dealing with barbarians and cut-throats.

Nobody is sympathizing with Al-Quaeda. The truth is that many of the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, not only the group of Uigurs, have not been charged of anything. It is quite possible that only a tiny percentage of the prisoners there are in any way connected to either Al-Quaeda or other dangerous groups.

[Rodin]

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I don't think it's possible that only a tiny percent are affiliated with Al-Quaeda. I mean, yes, some were brought to US troops by bounty hunters, but the majority were most likely captured after fire-fights. I'd say the vast majority of the people being held ARE a part of Al-Quaeda, and should be in there.