Pai Pai's OFFICIAL Tokyo Games Show 2007 Thread

[Icemage]

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I think what irks me most about the License system in FF12 is the fact that there's no sense or continuity in the order of progression. WHY do I have to learn how to use daggers to learn how to shoot a bow?

It's overly complicates character upgrades for no logical reason. If you're going to give players the chance to determine the abilities of the characters, then just give them the ability to upgrade skills and be done with it.


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[LilithAngel]

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I'm still hoping for a good Mega Man game on PS3. MMX8 wasn't too bad, but it's getting old/weird. I'm sick of Capcom's bull shit with the Rockman Series.


The only storyline to ever be even remotely finished was .EXE, and even then Starforce picks up sometime in the future.

How did Wily die? What happened to Rockman and Roll? or Blues and Forte? Did Sigma ever truly die? etc etc... whenever a storyline drags on too long (or they just can't come up with a decent ending) they just jump ahead with new characters and say "screw it" creating all kinds of plot holes.

I'm still waiting for Mega Man 9 and Mega Man X9, both of which should be the games to clear up the plotholes (mostly by revealing the true story of what happened, as well as forcing a retcon of some things to fill/fix inconsitancies).

Of course, Capcom dropped the Powered Up and Maverick Hunters remakes, which was stupid, because that could have easily been the opportunity they were looking for to finally set the whole storyline straight. They put a lot of effort into the production and presentation of those two remakes to give a lot of background story; why not finish it and get the full story out there? Lack of profit? Capcom knows they can save this franchise if they remake the series for the fans at this point. They even said if they were to make MM9, it'd be for the fans.

EDIT: Also, being in Misawa, yet not being able to attend this is killing me. It's only a 4 hour bullet train ride for me, but since it's happening starting today (for me, I'm in the future, remember :p ), I can't take sudden leave to just go down there and hang out. Oh well, mebbie Pai Pai can come up here and visit? (If I'm understanding this correct, Pai's down in Tokyo to attend to be able to give us his/her report? Am I close on this concept?)

[Cometgreen]

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More WotG info is always good, and I'd be thrilled if they release some info on their next MMO. A screenshot, a piece of concept art, anything.

And enough with FF7 already.

[Armando]

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The only storyline to ever be even remotely finished was .EXE, and even then Starforce picks up sometime in the future.

False. MegaMan Zero storyline is quite conclusive.

I'm still waiting for Mega Man 9 and Mega Man X9, both of which should be the games to clear up the plotholes (mostly by revealing the true story of what happened, as well as forcing a retcon of some things to fill/fix inconsitancies).

Probably not gonna happen. First off, the series was meant to end with X5. After that, Inafune went to a separate game studio to work on MegaMan Zero, and in the meantime Capcom decided to make MegaMan X6 without him, and without telling him to boot (wtf?) thus messing up the story (Inafune even had to rewrite parts of the Zero storyline to account for the fact that Zero lives.) I'm sure Inafune was pissed. Inafune didn't direct X6, X7, or X8, so they're non-canon in my eyes.

As for the rest...

Mega Man/X Spoilers

There's no reason to release a MegaMan 9 because the only plot hole left in the series as far as I know is what Zero was doing between the classic and X series. Given Zero's nature, when Wily activated him he would've killed Wily, and Mega Man/Bass/Protoman wouldn't be able to stop him (that aside, Protoman's energy core is supposed to be damage, so if Zero didn't kill him, he would've died on his own.)

As for the conclusion of the X series, that's explained in the Mega Man Zero storyline.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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This screen was from the PS3 FFVII tech demo, right?

[Pai Pai Master]

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Yes, it was.

After the Crisis Core credits end, the tech demo plays and closes with the words "To Be Continued in FINAL FANTASY VII."

Wishful thinking most likely, but all this looks like a lot of hints that SE is finally giving the fans what they've been begging for.


Capcom Update: So much for those "big three titles."

Capcom announced that they'll be publishing GTA: Vice City Stories for PS2 and PSP and Arcana Heart and MotoGP for PS2 in Japan this year. Whoop-de-doo.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Wishful thinking most likely, but all this looks like a lot of hints that SE is finally giving the fans what they've been begging for.

Not really surprising considering how many times Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games have been remade already, this was inevitable and other PS-era FF remakes will probably come out in time. Its just more expensive to make these particular remakes happen than glossing over FF and FF II for the umpteenth time.

I mean, there wasn't really a need for another version of FFIV, we just got one two years ago on GBA and they're doing one for DS anyway. Granted, we're actually getting the full scenario that wasn't possible to add back in the Super Famicom days, but it probably could have just been added to the GBA version.

The real problem is remaking FFVI on any 3D level, though. Kefka's laugh and sprite are immortalized in the minds of FF players. Its something they're going to have to be really careful with whenever they do get around to it.

FFVII is pretty much a done deal considering all these production elements from Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core are still going to cross over. Its good to push the remake now while these other installments of FFVII are still fresh, but they need to end it with this remake and not push it further.

I was actually very pleased with Dirge of Cerberus on a story level, it gave Reeve and Vincent the fleshing-out they needed and hopefully this remake will allow for better character development than the original had, since some characters still felt a little neglected. DoC really blew me away with Hojo, though, it was like they pulled his voice right out of my imagination

Actually, if they could get that guy voicing Hojo to do Kefka later on... that might actually be perfect.

Capcom Update:

So much for those "big three titles."

Capcom announced that they'll be publishing GTA: Vice City Stories for PS2 and PSP and Arcana Heart and MotoGP for PS2 in Japan this year. Whoop-de-doo.

I can't say I'm surprised with GTA, that's been a Capcom has had with R* for a long while. The other two games... meh. Well, meh to the shoddy PSP GTA games, too.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Yeah, while the actual gameplay of Dirge of Cerberus was a bit of a pain, the rest of it made up for it. Crisis Core looks much better and is much better receieved so far, so hopefully they're getting into the groove of making proper Compilation of FFVII titles. Fine by me if they keep going a while longer as long as they can keep making quality updates to the series.

[LilithAngel]

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Yeah, looking back at the Zero series, the X series finds its conclusion there. ZX is a nice continuation of that continuum, as well. However...

...this is still needing clearing up, as there's very little canon to describe the events during this era.

...Classic to X is still a very large gap, and the plot points within that large area of time is rather important to finish the entire series up to now. Zero could've possibly went berserk upon activiation, or shortly thereafter from the combination of him being the first in a new line of robots that have what bascially amounts to True A.I., the Dark Energy Dr. Wily found (and what Duo was attempting to destroy), and the virus he wrote to take out Mega Man should Zero himself fail at the attempt (one of the few times he actually had a good idea on how to deal with the Blue Bomber). We don't know, but what is apparent is that Zero was somehow stopped, and peace reigned, but from the info we do have, it's fairly safe to assume that Mega Man, Bass, Protoman, and possibly Duo together didn't have the ability and/or power to defeat Zero.

So how is the world still around by the time the X series comes around? MM et al couldn't have stopped Zero, and we know Dr. Wily wouldn't have wanted Zero to destroy the world (nothing to rule over, and all), but that he had even less control over him than he did Bass (who himself was a prototype to Zero). Zero's past, of what we know, is of him being a berserk killing machine with no remorse, gleefully slaying all that moves, friend or foe. So how was he stopped? What happened to him during the time between Classic and when Sigma's team stumbled upon him?

This would be roughly the same time that X made his appearance. I believe Dr. Light made X as a response to Zero's appearance, based off of MM's design (obviously), and with his own coding that allowed for his own version of a True A.I. that Rock's design wouldn't have been able to support. MM and his allies came across Zero and faired horribly, possibly even losing a member or two in the process, and Dr. Light frantically began working on X as a defense, even as MM and pals were being slaughtered to buy Light time and Zero rampaging around the world. Somewhere in all this, we lose track of Dr. Wily, and some incident occurs that convinces Light that X needs to be tested more before he can be allowed to roam free (quite possibly the same event that plants the seed of pacifism in X himself, perhaps).

All of that is what Mega Man 9 could fill in. It'd be a bit longer than a normal Classic series entry, but this is a transition from that series to the next, so it could be expected. It could easily start out with Wily flinging out another 8 Robot Masters in some plan to distract MM, while he unleashes Zero to wreak havok elsewhere. Plot advances, somewhere down the line Zero starts offing major Classic characters, Light activates X as a last resort, and the gameplay starts to shift to the X series to indicate this is where this mess begins. The final battle, while obvious, is more symbolic at this time for the fans than it is for X and Zero (their true first meeting and battle).

The rest of the series (both branches, Robotics and Network) is fairly well done. Inafune may not have done X6-8, but they still set up a few good storylines that were enjoyable, and still managed to stay somewhat within the series' universe. If for nothing else, Axl's backstory makes for an interesting twist to the formula.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Konami's TGS Press Event is going on now.

Here are the updates as they come in:


-The new METAL GEAR SOLID 4: Guns of the Patriots trailer will be available for download on the PlayStation Store tomorrow. No word yet on if the playable demo will be up as well.
-New DS game, called Time Hollow. Directed by Junko Kawano (Rhapsodia, Suikoden IV) Set for a winter 2008 release date in Japan.
-Silent Hill Zero (Origins in the west) will ship in Japan on December 6th.
-Crap about fitness games for Wii and DS that no one really cares about outside of Japan...
-Seriously, Japan? A SKINCARE game?
-Now showing cellphone games which will probably never be released outside of Japan, including MGS Mobile and Winning Eleven Mobile 2.
-This year, Winning Eleven series will be joined by PS3 and Wii.
-Winning Eleven 2008 will hit 360 and PS3 in October in Europe, November in Japan, and Spring in North America.
-You can take pictures of your face with Xbox Vision or PlayStation Eye cameras and map them to your players.
-World Soccer Winning Eleven Wii is in development. Worldwide release in Spring 2008.
-Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party will be released for Wii in October for Japan.

-The new MGS4 trailer shows four cyborg-like soldiers fighting against four human soldiers. The SOP system is mentioned by Meryl. (SOP is the technology used by players in METAL GEAR ONLINE 2.0)
-Highlights of the trailer include:
"FINAL CHAPTER OF THE MG SAGA."
"FINAL MISSION OF SNAKE."
"FINALLY, EVERYTHING WILL BE REVEALED!"
-Naomi was kidnapped by Liquid and forced to help with FOXDIE.
-A new character named Drebin is a gun launderer. He can allow Snake to use PMC weapons. He can also modify PMC weapons using existing parts.
-Olga Gurlokovich's daughter, Sunny, was apparently rescued by Otacon.
-EVA makes an appearance in the trailer.
-One of the new scenes takes place in a church.
-METAL GEAR REX and METAL GEAR RAY are present in the trailer.

-Confirmed, METAL GEAR ONLINE Starter Pack will be bundled with METAL GEAR SOLID 4: Guns of the Patriots at retail.
-METAL GEAR SOLID 2 Digital Graphic Novel will contain the MGS1 version packed in, with all new voicework.

Both MGS4 and MGO 2.0 will be playable on the show floor. The press event is concluded.







Also, once-FFXIO administrator Jonnyram brings us new details from Famitsu Magazine, their Pre-TGS issue:

-METAL GEAR ONLINE 2.0 will be packed in with MGS4 at retail.
-Metal Slug 7 is coming to the DS.
-Doki Doki Majo Shinpan 2 coming in 2008.
-White Knight Story will be released in Japan in January 2008.
-Rumour: A third-party title that will "save the PS3" will be announced at TGS. It'll be published by the third-party, but development will be funded by Sony Computer Entertainment. (More potential for FFVII remake?)
-Devil May Cry 4 will not be released until 2008. Both Trish and Lady are present in the new scans. (Dante's a pimp, what can I say?)
-FINAL FANTASY XI: Wings of the Goddess will ship on November 22nd, 2007. (Will post on main page after full confirmation from Square Enix)

[Malacite]

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The Zero series is still going though, similar to how starforce is continuing EXE with the new ZX story line. They just keep dragging it out. Just end it already or use an alternate universe at least. The world is screwed up enough as it is. Dr Right would be turning in his grave if he knew what his inventions had brought upon the world. (Like Humanity being nearly wiped out...) Wily too for that matter. Who would have though his ultimate creation would be the world's greatest hero (way to steal Rockman's thunder Zero)

Zero and X are both dead. And when the fuck did X become that fairy thingy anyway? I also hated how Arcadia basically cheap shotted him while his real body was unconcious at the end of 3... then they destroyed Zero's original body, which was supposed to be in slumber after 6 to be purified of the virus.

God damn I hate capcom for their convoluted story lines. Axel is meh and just seemingly came out of nowhere. I really don't care for him. X and Zero were already bad ass. Personally, I think it would have been way cooler had they just ended it with the two of them destroying each other, putting an end to Wily and Right's struggle once and for all.

Speaking of Wily, Sigma hinted that he was still around somehow, similar to how Right somehow is keeping up to date on things from those capsules...

/facepalm

The only thing that makes any kind of sense was Dave Anez's [(sp?) Author of Bob and George] Cataclysm movie that showed Zero activating and going berserk. Also, keep in mind lilith that Duo eradicated all traces of the Evil Energy in MM8. Furthermore, I forgot that Blues had an unstable nuclear core. Odds are he eventually went off like a nuclear bomb (maybe that's what did them all in? Except Dr. Right, we know for a fact he died of old age)

Dr. Cain and the guy from X3 also just randomly disappeared/died too... anyway, that's enough of that.

Just remake the damn games on PS3 in full 3 with uber physics and environments and we'll all be super happy for it. Capcom was supposed to make another Powered UP and Maverick Hunter, but due to poor sales in Japan those projects are on hold. It's too bad too, they were fun games and I especially enjoyed the "Day of the Maverick" movies you could unlock in MHX.

[LilithAngel]

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Actually, the Zero series is over; ZX is the direct sequel. Starforce is the sequel to EXE/Battle Network series. It's been proposed that the two series are actually concurrent, yet seperate; that is to say, they're happening on two different timelines at the same time that split from a single one based on one small fact: Dr. Wily became the main rival to the individual that gained worldwide recognition for their work, one timeline being Dr. Light in robotics (Classic, X, Zero, ZX, Legends [supposedly]), and Dr. Hikari in network programming (.EXE, Battle Network, Starforce). The timelines split depending on who was recognized, but both happen at the same time, and move roughly at the same rate (that is to say, if the two timelines were to remerge for some reason, Lan Hikari would never live long enough to meet X and Zero).

X and Zero are indeed alive, or at least their spirits/minds/conscineces/whatevers are. It was explained in the Zero series what happened to X, and why he's a Navi at that point, and later on in the Zero and ZX series how and why Zero attains that status as well. The Metals in ZX are the latest incarnations of X and Zero, containing their spirits and powers, as well as their sense of justice (and all that other mess). The X and Z Metals are, in essence, X and Zero.

X and Zero were orignally supposed to fight to the end in X5, with the player deciding who wins by who they chose to play as. The canon answer, we find out, is what leads up to the events in the Zero series, while X6-8 and Command Mission apparently never happened (which sucks, because those games wre actually rather enjoyable, and had a good amount of good story in each of them). Dr. Wily's presence was heavily felt during that whole section of the game, from the fact you fought the X-series version of the Yellow Demon (along with its accompanying music remade from the very first Classic game), to Sigma's hints, to the very fact that Wily's Classic "W" insignia painted itself right up on the wall in the very room you fight Zero in. It was more than just an implication that Wily had a hand in this; he orchestrated the entire thing from the very get go (and apparently, according to Sigma, has been ever since his first defeat at the hands of X, which would explain why he's always back for more, regardless of how he died the last time).

Dr. Light's capsules could very well be a True A.I. patterned after himself, that grows and learns and assists X and Zero when it thinks they need it. It's not that farfetched of an idea; if Dr. Light made X, what's to stop him from making himself in a different form? That could very well be Light himself instead of an A.I.; it wouldn't be that difficult (for him, at least). Dr. Wily could have followed the same path, or simply download his brain/aura/essence/soul into a robotic body; either way would explain why his influence is so heavily felt during this time period without him around.


Bob and George, while a comic done for entertainment purposes only, does actually do a good job of covering a lot of the details of the Classic series, as well as the various X and Zero spinoffs from the main comic. While not canon, it is a good dramatization of a possible way everything could have gone down.

Dr. Cain's removal from the series was already in place; he was old. His time was eventually up sometime during the series. This was already accounted for. If the guy from X3 you're talking about is Dr. Doppler, he was a front man for Sigma. X took care of him.

Duo did not get every bit of Dark Energy. In the Power Fighters series, Dr. Wily revealed he found a way to integrate some of the Dark Energy into Zero's design, along with an improved form of the energy Bass uses (Bassnium), to create the hybrid energy Zero needed to operate. Since the PF series is considered canon by Capcom (essentially, since it was added in the MM:AC release), this is why some Dark Energy still exists. That could very well have had an effect on Zero in some way.

Yes, the entire series could stand to have a remake on the PSP. Powered-UP and Maverick Hunter versions of Classic and X? Yes, please.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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-Rumour: A third-party title that will "save the PS3" will be announced at TGS. It'll be published by the third-party, but development will be funded by Sony Computer Entertainment. (More potential for FFVII remake?)

Are they issuing Sony-branded hip-waders again?

I think Nintendo proved last generation that remakes don't save systems.

Sony's Halo-killer was not a Halo-killer.
Sony's Zelda-killer was really nothing more than a modest start for Level 5.
I don't think anything can "save" PS3.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Well, do keep in mind that these are the words of Famitsu, not Sony. We'll see tomorrow if there's any truth to them.

[Feba]

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Am I the only one imagining Doki Doki Majo Shinpan with Wii controls right now? Especially if they had force feedback...


That's really what disappoints me. Force feedback has been around for YEARS, but nobody has really implemented it in a console outside of super-crappy "rumble" BS. I remember being like twelve, walking around a computer store and playing a lightsaber fighting game with a joystick. That's what people want with the Wii, you swing a sword, and you HIT things, not the game registers it and tells the sword to swing. I'm not sure how something like this could be replicated without making the Wii controller into a full body suit, but still.