DRG damage vs. DRK damage

[Niexist]

Originally posted by sonova
lvl 24 drg btw


the only possible way that you might out damage a similarly level drk. is if the drk is holding back for fear of getting raped. And if he is then your data is flawed.

our group's drk doesnt simply because i have taunt and can save his ass if he gets into trouble.

Nah the DRK's I've pt'ed with use all their attack enhancing moves. There is really only one answer here Sonova...you must just suck, please delete your crappy character before you make dragoons look worse with your subpar damage.

[Carbon]

As of level 18, I seem to be doing more damage *over time* as DRG than when I was at the same level as SAM. I've had more or less top of the line weaponry/equipment for both cases.

As SAM, I never had problems with hate; but as DRG, if I'm forced to emergency voke, the main tank sometimes can't get the monster off me.

In one party, after a mithkabob boost, I even seemed to be outdamaging the Elvaan DRK (who was w/o mithkabobs).

For that matter, the PT's PLD had no problems getting the monster back on him after the DRK had emergency voked. In contrast, whenever I emergency voked, I usually ended up dying because the PLD couldn't get it off me o_O;

[Tokitoki]

Though i am only lvl 16... i have pt'd with several DRKs for the damage and i must say that not only am i more accurate becuase of the DEX and Accuracy boosting equipment that i have but when we do attack i do a couple more points than he does. I know that it is still early in the game for the adv jobs but when you are already ahead of a DRK and have to the money to keep up with the equipment it can only get better.

Not only that but i have been known to do a slight bit more than RNGs, the only one that out-damaged me was Bilus who i had partied with for a couple hours.

Now this either means that the DRK and RNG equips suck or you're wrong. As it is early and maybe not everyone has the best equipment i will give it time before i say who does more than who until i give it time, but this brings up another point.

It depends mostly on the user of the class. I happen to have the gil to get the good equipment for my DRG and maybe some people dont so i say that it depends on the user and not nessecarily the class..

Originally posted by Carbon
For that matter, the PT's PLD had no problems getting the monster back on him after the DRK had emergency voked. In contrast, whenever I emergency voked, I usually ended up dying because the PLD couldn't get it off me o_O;

Oh and this has happened to me quite a bit too ><

[sonova]

AAAAAAH ze flames they are calling me

hi , fuck face

i have 8 hours worth of data and other mathematical projections.
what do you have other than your dick in your hand?

thats right nothing

if you think i am full of shit the onus is on you to prove me wrong.
if you are going to spout , juvenile sound bites what would take a 10 year old only 10 seconds to compose , then perhaps you are more full of shit than a wagon full of Potsnu's.

personally i think you stare too long at your penis-in-hand more than the screen , thus you are getting a fucked up picture of the drg vs drk

maybe if you stopped jerking off so much you would be able to get a clue.

plus your keyboard would last longer



for the rest of you,
believe who you want to believe, i do not need your validation.
you either believe 99% of the board and me with my calculations.
or you believe some random jerk-off who thinks his helmet encompasses the entire world

[Tokitoki]

ummmmm ok...

I said that it is based on equipment and since its still early in lvls for adv jobs im going to give it time and you insult Niexist and the people that say they do more damage than the DRK around them... maybe the DRK arent equipped the best and we have the money, it truly does depend on the user and the ability to get the items needed....

[sonova]

hi i was insulting niexist

hi there are more variables involved in who outdamages who
and this discussion is not well defined enough for the appropriate parameters to be made apparent.

even if they were no one seems to want to challenge my equations with hard work and data. until someone does , all your conjecture is just - subjective perception

at least you have the good graces to admit that it might be disparities in eq.

[Tokitoki]

You know what else helps a lot, the sub. War will give some STR, THF some DEX. Thre are a lot of factors going into who does more damage,. And those WARs i see at 28 with no sub-job realy gota get a grip ><

[MAK]

its very heavily based on equip DRG cant wear the thick series or hauberk, therefore cutting there dmg down. a DRk will hit harder on a bases. If you have a all out melee attack and dont have to worry about hate DRk will win. though DRg gets super jump at 50 so they can do more dmg in a PT (sometimes, depends if DRks equip is gimped) also if you use food, what stats boost and so on. Penta does not do that much dmg it normally hits around 350 average at my lv my vorpal scythe hits about 200 average (mines only 1 hit) ive seen mine do over 550dmg but its very rare. you wont notice a difference untill 30ish for dmg before that they are all just about the same.

[Niexist]

Re: AAAAAAH ze flames they are calling me

Originally posted by sonova
hi , fuck face

i have 8 hours worth of data and other mathematical projections.
what do you have other than your dick in your hand?

thats right nothing

if you think i am full of shit the onus is on you to prove me wrong.
if you are going to spout , juvenile sound bites what would take a 10 year old only 10 seconds to compose , then perhaps you are more full of shit than a wagon full of Potsnu's.

personally i think you stare too long at your penis-in-hand more than the screen , thus you are getting a fucked up picture of the drg vs drk

maybe if you stopped jerking off so much you would be able to get a clue.

plus your keyboard would last longer



for the rest of you,
believe who you want to believe, i do not need your validation.
you either believe 99% of the board and me with my calculations.
or you believe some random jerk-off who thinks his helmet encompasses the entire world

First I'd like to see all of your mathematical compilations you've been taking in full detail, not just silly descriptions on a message board (these things do exist, not just more garbage spewing fourth from your mouth as opossed to what your dad normally puts in it right?)

Now, once we've established that this data does exist, we can also establish you are a complete jackass since you're doing comparisons at a lvl where they are hardly valid. You are wearing crap for gear and even with good gear you are lv 24.

Oh and please don't post anything else on these boards unless it is a full weblisting of all these comprehensive tests, as I'll go as far as to call "Bullshit" at this point.

I really can't wait until pvp, you shouldn't feel bad though Sonova it's just bad luck for a crappy n00b like you to land on the same server as me. I'd still recommend you delete your crappy character though

[Lartfor]

For the record i have no dragoon, and am not sure if I will ever make one, but they do seem like a very interesting class.

Ok 2 things, from a general math perspective:
DRG:1x pasive atk bonus
DRK:3x pasive atk bonus (20 more atk than drg)
DRG/WAR: Berzerk
DRK/WAR: Berzerk, Last Resort, Soul Eater.

ok this is what i see, in normal dmg output, drk dominates dragoon like nothing, no comparrison. Now if you throw the Wyvern in, drk still dominates, because wyvern does lower dmg to high def mobs (ITs, VTs, ect). A few jump atakcs might close the gap a little, but the fact is DRK has more dps.

Even if your thief you wont catch a drk in shear dps, maybee in one atack you will greatly out dmg him, but the fact is drks have spells too, thier weapons are slow enough that they can throw out stone 2 between thier atacks.

Now to truly look at dmg output of a class, you cant just ignore a very important feature of the drk, Black Magic.

Shuketsu your comparing a person who is healthy to a person who has lost an arm.... You cant just ignore parts of a job....

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Niexist



and obviously that makes it true 100% of the time. I have stated it before I have never been outdmg'ed by a DRK, so by personal experience we can say from lvl 1-48 dragoon is clearly superior to RNG, DRK, and jedi's.

There is no set "most damage" class. I PT with a ranger who is fairly good on a regular basis. Uses lvl 45 arrows, wears good gear stuff that costs a lot more than mine. I can outdamage her all the time. Guess what, her 2 hour, or any move she throws out can't touch what I do with every 100 TP. Hell I can do more than BLM with sneak attack+double thrust at this lvl with most powerful spell on the end of a renkei with magic burst.

Because I can outdmg all DRK's, and RNG's I have encountered does that mean DRG are the #1 damage dealers? Nope, it means my character template is set up to do maximum damage and never miss.

I've never ever seen a drg outdamage a rng at any PT level.
The one you PT with must have gimped EQ/bow, or you must have godly equipment.
At lv50 I PT'd with a drg friend of mine and I was doing nearly double his damage per hit - not to mention my accuracy was lots better - and he is elvaan and I'm taru.

I'm not saying it's impossible - far from it - I'm just saying, you seem to be PTing in exceptional circumstances for you to outdamage a RNG.

I must say though, both DRK and DRG outdamage me on criticals (despite having big dex boosts), I barely do 50% extra per critical, I see DRK and DRGs doing 120% or so.

edit:

Hell I can do more than BLM with sneak attack+double thrust at this lvl with most powerful spell on the end of a renkei with magic burst

oh, and I dunno who the blm's you're PTing with are, but the blm in my set PT can get over 1000 with freeze magic burst. I seriously doubt you can do over 1000 no matter what you do ~_^

[imac2much]

Originally posted by Niexist


Because I can outdmg all DRK's, and RNG's I have encountered does that mean DRG are the #1 damage dealers? Nope, it means my character template is set up to do maximum damage and never miss.

Looks like your gigantic ego has blinded you from reality. Also it seems like no one can "prove you wrong", somehow you just have a godly character with 99 of all stats because you are so "skilled."

Please, Niexist, take your head out of the clouds and face reality. No one is buying your "I AM BETTER THAN EVERYONE BECAUSE I HAVE A SUPER CHARACTER TEMPLATE" b.s.

There is so little customization available in this game that your arguments are almost moot. Okay, you choose a sub... well you have a THF. Almost all DRG pre-60 use WAR or THF as sub. Next, items... even if you have emperor's hairpin and all those items, that won't make you suddenly uber and more damaging than all DRK and RNG. DRK can equip all those too as well as Hauberks and the like to increase their attack even more.

What else is so "special" about your character template? What food you eat? It's not like you can customize your stats. There is NOTHING special about your template, and I'm sure at least 1000 people playing in this game are identical to you. Oh wait... except they're not egotistical enough to brag that they outdamage all classes because of their "special character template."

Niexist, you are not fooling anyong by your incessant bragging. The fact you think you can outdamage RNG and BLM consistently belies your true b.s. nature, making all your comments of DRG vs DRK invalid. I'm surprised you're not subbing DRG/WHM now and saying you are a better support character than all WHM, BRD, and RDM.

[Niexist]

Eh, doesn't really matter to me if you think I'm lying or not. I'm going on what I've seen. My point isn't dragoon's are super damage, rangers are shitty damage, or any of the above. My point is there are way to many variables to say "this is the best dmg dealer"

Fact is, I'm starting to get equal damage, but by a surprising source the DRG/WAR in our pt. The warrior sub starts to gain real momentum after a while.

And Tong, maybe you should have a talk with our pt's ranger lol even with 2 hour she isn't even within 150 damage of a 300% TP penta thrust which I hit for I believe 610 damage on an IT last night didn't try more than once building TP with penta is a waste.

What was really funny is me, and my pt's DRG/WAR is within 500 exp of me, well he got penta first, and he's like watch this! ...hits for 8 points of damage!

I'm not trying to brag about how good I am I'll do enough of that when I'm sitting on Sonova's fragged body when PvP starts. I'm just trying to make a point that there are way to many variables to ask a question like "Which job does the most damage"

[MAK]

rng shitty dmg dealer what are you talking about 0.0 and your subbing THF XD... sorry but its RNG>>>>DRK>DRG but im sure apocalypse would do double your dmg in just 1 shot..lol maybe about the same as you in a skill up

[MAK]

seriously tell me how much dmg you do on a totetote.. i do anywhere from 70-100 with darkness on i do 170-200.. rngs do over my darkness dmg..now if your regular swing is 230 i want what you have...dont give me that penta+sneak crap, penta is highly over rated its not that strong and it misses like hell. my vorpal scythe has done more then a DRG using 2 Pentas (no joke.. i did 587(with a 1 hit WS) he did 234 then 250..)