DRG damage vs. DRK damage

[imac2much]

Scythes have a delay of around 480-530, spears have a delay of around 390-490. Scythes are indeed slower... on the other hand, they are more powerful and give back more TP.

Not taking any sides in this particular discussion, just posting some facts.

[Xyse]

ha

now ur working together i thought so by stating something completely wrong u sorted out ur differences booya!

[Xyse]

but seriously is white mage better than dragoon even in af?

[Awntawn]

Aside from high level, non-newbiness can be shown by not thinking your class is the best in the world, and not thinking you're the most skilled player in the world... Because it only shows how little you've seen when you think like that.

[KingTonberryIV]

Theres a big reaon this discussion is on the dragoon board and not on say, a whm board or a bard board. each class out there has a role to play that important. however some roles can be filled by only one or two classes, while other roles can seem to be filled by many classes. the front line damage dealer role seems to be able to be played by many classes, thus making you meleers insecure. So you hope to say, "my character/class can do more damage than this other character/class", in the hope that this idea that YOUR particular class is better will filter into everone else's minds, and parties will choose you. In you rminds, there is an imaginary line up of drgs, drks, sams, mnks, just jumping up and down waiting to be chosen by the whm's party, and whoever can do the most damage the whm will choose, leaving the rest dejected. however this attitude is wrong, each melee class is not just about damage dealing, each is unique and can perform better in different situations. drgs are better at fighting against dragoons, sams are better against demons, drks, against arcana and so forth. in terms of fighting style, a mnk will hardly ever miss, so if you fight an evasive creature, mnk has an advantage over the drk who may take a big swing and a miss. i have to say a drk will deal more melee damage than any other melee BUT, it comes at the expense of him lowering his def. he has to hold back to be effective so that puts his damage closer to the other meleers. the drg's jump is underestimated as it can clear hate, I'm sure there are times the drk wishes he could jump all his problems away when the monster is wailing on him after performing an awesome ws! my point is, so what if drk does more average damge than a drg? can the drk clear hate? does the drg have to lower its defense to make its attack? think about this- a rng will outdamge all of you by a lot. but all the rngs ive partied with had to ask for the items at the end of a fight in order to craft their own arrows! thats kinda sad! so i wish we didnt have these drg vs drk arguments. square is not going to make a class totally suck. - except for summoner.

[Jittanx]

Holier than Thou? Not quite. How is showing that all parties involved were acting childish with their " Nuh huh, Yea Huh" crap make me holier than thou?

All i asked were for you to try to have a conversation instead of an arguement, and if not, then to shut up and drop it.

[Xyse]

to find out which is stronger u need to think about the advantages and disadvantages, which is more evasive for 1 which has better ws and so on. Make a tally and calculate the results dammit!

and may the best class win

oh and this thrad ain't bout rangers at all it's all about dragoon and dark knight

[Malefas]

Bear with me here, if you think I'm a newb, then so be it, but this is what I believe:

DRK is most damaging, it has 3 attack ups which define this. Alot of DRG players (I am one myself, level 40 DRG now on Midgardsromr if you wanna check, name Malefas), still like to think they can outdamage the DRK, but this is what I've seen so far.

DRG hits far more often after level 30, when they get accuracy up. That's a givin, and once you get the Lance at level 34, the DRG appears to be ahead of the DRK at this stage in terms of damage. And well, its basically true, from the level 25-50 range, DRGs do consistantly more damage per second then a DRK would, on an average basis. Also, DRGs get Penta Thrust at level 49.

But, levels 1-10, the DRK is more powerful than the DRG, and once the DRK hits level 60, there is no comparison.

DRK benefits greatly from SAM sub, especially because it retains its attack up abilities (Last Resort and Soul Eater come to mind). However, when a DRG subs SAM for Meditate, he loses Berserk (subbing SAM before 60 is useless imo for a DRG, you'd do much better with Double Attack and Berserk), dropping his attack power, and Penta Thrust only gets outdated by the end of the game. Guillotine is much more destructive, such to the point that DRKs have to limit how quickly they go all out on someone. They also don't have a move like Super Jump which eliminates all Hate/Emnity.

To be honest with you all, when I hit level 60, I might still sub WAR for the STR bonuses, the Double Attack/Berserk, and the initial Defence Up bonus. DRG defence really sucks compared to DRK, because DRG wears medium-light armor, in the same class as a RDM and other mages. DRKs can make up for their low defence by wearing the heaviest armor available in the game, which benefits greatly later on in the game.

The weapons are basically equal, lances to scythes both balance each other out in terms of damage. But the DRG and the DRK armor classes definately skew things in favor of the DRK. For example, the DRK can wear the Royal Squire/Iron Musketeer set, which provide bonuses to STR, VIT, DEX, and attack in some cases (Hauberks comes to mind). These armor sets start at level 40, and continue to level 55-60. DRG armor however, consists of robes and scale mail that is a crappy backup compared to the heavy armor. Plus, before Brigadine armor, you might be tended to favour that Centurion Scale Mail because of the bonuses you get. I'm wearing Iron Scale right now (level 37-40 armor) at the moment, since I try to avoid being behind in equipment. I get my +Dex ratings from my Ametrine rings and my Spiked Necklace, and attack bonuses from my Beetle Earrings +1.

You're probably wondering right now, if I love DRK so much, why don't I be one? Well, currently, there are wayyy more DRKS than DRGs, and lets just say that DRKs at higher levels look for parties when they are AFK, because the result will be the same, they will most likely not get picked. DRGs atleast get a hate reducer which makes them more attractive in some aspects, but at the same time, they're on the waiting bench too.

DRGs just look cool too with the Wyvern behind them, which is a very nice addition early on in the game. Later on though, AE attacks just kill it more often than not, so you'll be fighting without it in most cases. (The Goblins in Gustav come to mind).

[Xyse]

what if u use race specific armour on ur dragoon would that change it?

also what about evasion how do dragons fair in that case??

[Malefas]

DRK has higher Evasion than a DRG does I believe.

Also, just because the AF armor looks like plate mail/heavy armor, doesn't mean it is. DRG still don't have good DEF and don't get alot of the bonuses a DRK would get from its armor.

Keep in mind, if DRGs could wear heavy armor, there would probably be no point in being a DRK.

[SAVAGE]

Well Malefas i like your statements. I agree DRK and DRG are almost equal in terms of everything. DRK doesnt really outdamage a DRG that much and vice versa. The reason a DRG cant wear heavy is cause iits pretty hard to jump wearing some heavy ass armor. The one thing i dont agree with, since NA players joined midgard, the DRG numbers have JUMPED, i bet there are close to 2 drgs for every drk now.

[Malefas]

The one thing i dont agree with, since NA players joined midgard, the DRG numbers have JUMPED, i bet there are close to 2 drgs for every drk now.

Thats what I thought, and I know the next batch of WARs to hit level 30 will become DRGs by the number of spears they wield around...

But the searches keep on saying there are more DRKs than DRGs. Unless a ton of DRGs go on anon, and DRKs very rarely do, I'm starting to wonder how accurate the searches are. :confused:

[Malefas]

Hm... can't edit an old post, so bare with me on this double post:

what if u use race specific armour on ur dragoon would that change it?

Change what? The amount of damage you can take? RSE really only fills out a race's weaknesses, so you won't find any STR+ on the Elvaan RSE, or VIT+ on the Galka RSE.

I'm a Hume, so besides the gloves, RSE isn't too appealing to me. I don't even wear my gloves since I look cooler in the full set of Iron Scale.

I'll be pairing my Brigadine with either Custom Gloves or Battle Gloves though.

[Xyse]

it seema that all acounts of wryven have been taken out and can wryven use any abilitie in ur sub?

so what r the advantages of being dragoon anyway?

[Souma]

i'm gonna have to go with the DRK's on this one. as much as i love DRG, seeing how i am one myself, there's just no way to even compare. Penta Thrust will get you up there with a SAM, just above DRK in the dmg department, but that's only until Lv60. even now, i'm finding myself being severely outdamaged by DRK's with practically the same equipment and the same amount of buffs. only difference is DRK's have quite a few ATK bonuses AND abilities. a DRK seriously made me pale in comparison while leveling in CN, doing 200-250+ normal dmg on Hornflies with full buffs, while i was poking away for 130-150+ with my wyvern doing constant 30's. no, i don't have shitty gear. it's the harsh truth that DRK were made specifically to rip monsters a new one. an advantage that DRG's do have over DRK is the almighty Super Jump, but that doesn't come in truly useful until you can spam Penta at Lv60+. and by that time, a DRK gets Guillotine. that's when the dmg difference really evens out while the DRK tries to control him/herself and the DRG goes all out with a Super Jump finish.

at the moment, i'm finding myself being overlooked in parties in favor of a DRK or a Lv49 DRG, which is pretty shitty (haven't found an EXP party in almost a week). people know what each class is capable of and choose whichever fits their party's playing style. in the end, it all comes down to preference, so i don't really see why it matters.

and anyone who says their DRG can easily outdamage a DRK is fooling themselves, unless their equipment difference was crazy different in favor of the DRG. if both classes went balls out, the DRK would very clearly win. even if they don't go balls out, the DRK would still have a somewhat visible margin while comparing the damage.