DRG damage vs. DRK damage

[imac2much]

Originally posted by Niexist
Eh, doesn't really matter to me if you think I'm lying or not. I'm going on what I've seen. My point isn't dragoon's are super damage, rangers are shitty damage, or any of the above. My point is there are way to many variables to say "this is the best dmg dealer"

Oh I see. So since it is *possible* for a melee BLM to hit with a WS and do 100 damage in a fight while the DRG misses constantly and does 0 damage... now we don't know which job does more damage by melee?

No, I think it is still safe to assume that DRG is a better melee damage dealer than a BLM. Yes there are extraneous factors to consider, but when all is said and done, DRG will do more damage over a span of an hour in melee than a BLM.

In that same sense, RNG and BLM with strong MB's will always do more damage than a DRG over a span of an hour. So your penta does 600 damage with 300% TP? First of all, that's pretty rare (you won't always hit with all 5 hits). Second, I see lvl 50-60 BLMs MB for more than that *consistently*. RNG I can't speak from experience, so if a high level RNG would come in and comment, please feel free.

I understand why you think DRG can sometimes do more damage than DRK and vice versa, but I still don't see how you can honestly say you do more damage than a RNG and BLM... the glass cannons of FFXI. There is nothing special about your template, and there are thousands of others with your exact same equipment/stats... and I've never heard any other DRG/THF say that he generally does more damage than a RNG or a BLM.

[Lartfor]

Ok one thing that many people make a mistake on is not looking at dps... Monks have a very high dps,not much per hit, but they are accurate, and hit fast.

Ok lets say a monk hits 4 times in the time a drk hits once, monk does 25 dmg a hit, drk does 100. Generally people will not look at dps, and instantly look at that 100 dmg, and go OMG that drk does WAY more dmg. fact is, this game is not about getting a 5k dmg hit once every 2 min, its about dps. A BLM and ranger have probably 2x the dps of a drg/thief, even though that drg/thief may do more dmg on a particular WS/JA.

Its the same people that say OMG 100 DMG!!, that think pld or red mage, or ninja dmg sux, all of those classes do dps melee dmg rather than one large blow. Of course a drk doing 100 dmg a hit is gana have more dps than a pld do 35 dmg a hit at 1/2 the speed, but the fact is that dps is more important than a big hit.

Its the same with exp, many people would rather get 200 exp every 3 min, than 70 exp, every 50 seconds.

Penta is not overrated, because it is one of the most deadly WS in the game, up there with Gilotine, Vorpal blade, and raging fist. The main advantage of these 4-5 hit WS is the amount of tp you get back after... sub sam and you can get near 100% tp back after penta if using a slow weapon.

Im gana end by saying this, if a drg says he can outdmg any rng drk or blm, then he is a moron. Simple, said, done....

[Niexist]

Originally posted by Lartfor
Im gana end by saying this, if a drg says he can outdmg any rng drk or blm, then he is a moron. Simple, said, done....

Well, I never said I could outdamage any rng/drk/blm did I? I said I outdamage the ones I PT with.

Also, all my damage tests are done in DPS, normally the length of 1 entire battle in seconds/total damage dealt. So no, it isn't just "big hits"


rng shitty dmg dealer what are you talking about 0.0 and your subbing THF XD... sorry but its RNG>>>>DRK>DRG but im sure apocalypse would do double your dmg in just 1 shot..lol maybe about the same as you in a skill up


...right I pt with another dragoon who has very similar gear and is within 500 exp of me at all times, only difference is he is elvaan, and I'm hume and he has war subbed war, and doesn't come close to my dmg.

As far as totetote's, haven't fought them yet, was fighting IT rumble crawler's last night, and hit for 615 damage with pentathrust on one shot, that's my personal record, I try to make myself effective over big numbers so I don't sit around charging TP.

and please, I'll state this one more time for you complete retards who have somehow missed the 5 times I posted this before.

DRAGOON DOES NOT DO MORE DAMAGE THAN OTHER JOBS, OTHER JOBS DO NOT DO MORE DAMAGE THAN DRAGOON.

With ranger/dragoon/dark knight it will almost always come down to equipment, subjob, skill, etc from all of what I have seen, there is no set damage order everytime.

Oh, and I was outdamaged by a japanese black mage last night, he was ultra consistent, and kept hate under control very well. But the RNG I pt with everyday cannot outdamage me for crap, she probably could if she had read Tongyang's guide to rangers and stopped pumping all her items into str like an idiot.

[Retkin]

Lets just get another post that could of been useful locked with personal attacks!

[imac2much]

Originally posted by Niexist

...right I pt with another dragoon who has very similar gear and is within 500 exp of me at all times, only difference is he is elvaan, and I'm hume and he has war subbed war, and doesn't come close to my dmg.

I still don't understand why you have it in your apparently big head that you mysteriously have a better character than all your clones. This other clone of yours, who has WAR, uses similar equipment, food, etc and is similar level... you still think you are better than him? Just because you are Niexist? Well it's true that egotists only see what they want to see, so I guess it wouldn't be surprising that you think you are better than him. This game (and most other MMORPGs) is ruled with calculations. There may be some random factors available, but nothing will make you more powerful than your clones over time. You are the same, and there is nothing that makes you special; stop trying to make your character seem all omnipotent.

and please, I'll state this one more time for you complete retards who have somehow missed the 5 times I posted this before.

DRAGOON DOES NOT DO MORE DAMAGE THAN OTHER JOBS, OTHER JOBS DO NOT DO MORE DAMAGE THAN DRAGOON.

With ranger/dragoon/dark knight it will almost always come down to equipment, subjob, skill, etc from all of what I have seen, there is no set damage order everytime.

I can see your point here, but I think you don't understand what everyone is comparing. It seems if it were up to you, no one could ever compare classes, just because you say so.

Yes, it comes down to equipment, subjobs, etc, just as you said. However, there is a role that each class plays in a party. If the person is playing their character to their fullest potential in that role, you should be able to compare them. For example, if the RNG, DRK, and DRG all have their best available equipment for their level (possibly excluding super-rare 3mil equipment, such as peacock charms and haubergons), then I see no reason why you cannot compare them. They are all at their near-full potential, so there can be no excuses.

What everyone is saying is that if these requirements are fulfilled, BLM and RNG will outdamage DRG and DRK consistently. This *CAN* be argued, whether you like it or not, and just because you tell people to shut up and call them derogatory names won't change reality.

[MAK]

dude a slug shot can pull off over 1.5k dmg.. now you wait for yout tp to charge which is a big mistake, so we people have already done more then 2 WS before you pull off a penta. I didnt ask what your penta dmg is, i know its around 350 average i asked whats your regular attack..if you hit for 50 you are not a dmg dealer, after 60 DRks get guillotine which is stronger then penta and a rng will blow a blm anceient magic away so you have no chance compared to a RNG, totetote is IT in the NA..and yes DRK is stronger and just like you said that 613(or whatever) is a record mine is 567(with a 1 hit WS against a IT thats pathetic, yours is 5 mine is 1 that has to tell you something..)

[John Doe III]

Show off^^ and dude tomorrow night were PTing k? get to 53 or 54.

[voodoo]

And Tong, maybe you should have a talk with our pt's ranger lol

I hope you don't think I'm tongyang ~_^ I'm Apocalypse.

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I must also make the point that it largely depends upon what monster the PT is fighting - RNG does about 150% damage to flying enemies, but about 50-75% to bones - whereas drk is good against bones (from what I've seen).
rng vs. drk against bones, drk will easily win overall.
rng vs. drk against flies, rng will easily win overall.

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Max WS dmg I do at this level (with piercing arrow) is 300, I've never done anymore than 330ish, and I usually do between 140-200. (but piercing+viper+freeze = byebye)
Of course that all changes at 55 when I get sidewinder ~_^

comparing classes also has to take into account the levels.

at 59, choice between drg or drk, you're gonna pick drg - but post 60, drk everytime.

[Tokitoki]

Originally posted by MAK
that 613(or whatever) is a record mine is 567(with a 1 hit WS against a IT thats pathetic, yours is 5 mine is 1 that has to tell you something..)

The pentas individual attacks are not full strength but i dont want to get into this arguement so im just gonna shut up >.<

[Ayako]

This argument again? A good DRG will obliterate a bad DRK and vice versa.

Fully blinged, competant version of each, you take the DRG, due to better hate management and better renkei compatibility. Now that DRKs can't hide behind Yokodama, they will have to hold back too much.

Rangers are overrated slightly, and are mostly flash damage from their insane WS, but they are the best damage dealers in the game, behind a taru BLM

[Niexist]

Originally posted by MAK
dude a slug shot can pull off over 1.5k dmg.. now you wait for yout tp to charge which is a big mistake, so we people have already done more then 2 WS before you pull off a penta.\

This is overwhelming proof that no one reads before they post, this is a direct response to this comment

As far as totetote's, haven't fought them yet, was fighting IT rumble crawler's last night, and hit for 615 damage with pentathrust on one shot, that's my personal record, I try to make myself effective over big numbers so I don't sit around charging TP.

Note the italicized part, please learn to read man, you will be doing yourself, and everyone else a big favor.

[MAK]

no way in hell you can do that much dmg with just 100%.. i dont care what you say at that lv.

[Niexist]

Originally posted by MAK
no way in hell you can do that much dmg with just 100%.. i dont care what you say at that lv.

When you are able to read, you will realize that I was saying that's my highest shot. It's probably the only time I've charged to 300%. Don't take me for some stupid n00b. Is what I wrote that hard to comprehend?

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Niexist


When you are able to read, you will realize that I was saying that's my highest shot. It's probably the only time I've charged to 300%. Don't take me for some stupid n00b. Is what I wrote that hard to comprehend?

:spin: :spin: :spin: You are still a new Niexist lmao :spin: :spin: :spin:

New NA player = beginner. Not n00b or newb, so get it right before you mouth off. Maybe you got alittle bit of extra boost on one WS and did 615 with only 100%, dont feel special or anything. I party with MAK all the time and he does a ton more damage than you will ever do.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

drk deal more damage than drg sure

but dont forget that berserk is def down attack up
last resort (its build with hate and if you dont think so just use it then the monster will agrro with you if the tank have no big hate)) and last resort is attack up and def down
darkness eat your hp

ya drk deal more damage than drg but see your hp and see your def with this ability you will die realy fast if the tanker was bad

and

i know high level drk deal more damage than rng