Who Cares?!

[tomfin10]

Ok, this is my opinion, some jobs just DON'T work together. They just suck and that's it. There's no way to fix them. IMO, SMN/BLM is just a combo that doesn't work. BLM/SMN can work if you've got a good PT combo.

BLM/SMN - I still say that BLM/WHM is the best, but this would be my 3rd choice for a sub on BLM.

Pros:
- You get the summons.
- More MP than BLM/WHM.

Cons:
- Your summons's lvl is halved, if you use your summon to fight a monster that is twice the lvl of your summon, it will die in 1 or 2 hits.
- You can't heal. (Yea I know, its not the main role of a BLM's job but I still think its good to help out the WHM sometimes, also BLM/WHM is a better soloing combo so you can heal yourself.)

SMN/BLM - I highly suggest you not use this combo.

Pros:
- You get black magic and summons.
- You can use SMN/BLM to act as an enfeebler but your spells will be resisted a lot since you subbed BLM.

Cons:
- Your summons already drain MP fast and do small amounts of damage and with you casting your black magic spells it just drains more and more MP faster, after 1 battle you would have no MP left and the other mages would still have over half.
- You black magic is halved so you would do as much DMG to something if you were HALF that level. (Remember your summons already don't do much DMG AND drain MP.)

[Scyrab]

Tomfin - I totally totally 100 percent agree with you. Every class combo does not work but I think that every person can be what they want and they shouldn't feel as if they must be so and so combination or they will never get a group.

That is simply not the case - If a group or linkshell needs a Summoner do you honostly think they would turn one down just because their Sub Job is Black Mage? Personally, I don't think so and anyone that did is just being snobby.

However, like I said I agree with you 100 percent that not all classes work out - but that is not to stop anyone from being what their heart desires. In the end they will get a group - even if it takes awhile

Its their choice..I think it boils down to being: Would you rather be happy with your choice - or be forced into doing something you don't want to do just to be accepted.

[Reneir]

Wow! Fire and debate and controversy! I wanna stoke the flames too!

Of course, a good point was brought up a post or two ago; that most of us posting here aren't importers or beta testers and have no actual experiance... myself included. Of course, i seem to have all the terms down, and understand the renkei system and the job system, etc...but i havn't been there so, while theroy is nice, experiance counts for alot.

That said, i'll offer my uneducated opinion...

I don't think anyone's really proclaiming suckage, as i said earlier... it's more that the experianced players are more interested in PTing with classes they know work even in the hands of a fool... The internet is a scary place, and not everybody is quite on the same page; some people only want to slaughter monsters and level, some people want to see all there is to see, others want to role-play (in a MMORPG? nawww). On another angle, some people are adept at manipulating controls, while others seem to misaim or take so much time to take an action that it's pointless.
What it all comes down to is that if you don't know who you're dealing with in this myriad online environment, all you can trust in is somebody's level and jobs... and if it's a respected mix, you can know that even if they're a lousy player, they at least can help out in a respectable manner.
On the other hand, if you're savvy, you can make a tarutaru fighter than can kick a Galka FTR/SMR in single combat... well it's possible anyway...

[tomfin10]

Yes Scyrab I also agree with you, I usually say in most of my posts at the end, "but be what you want to be...". I just want to make sure that the person I'm telling my opinion to is aware of the cons too so... but I agree with you.

[FFXITsukasa]

Yeah. You are right tom some jobs just dont work. I kinda choose mine cause they would be cool and they fit together. Without knowing that I picked a rather ok job and sub job. And Kirara you need some pills or something. Games are made to make an online society but to have fun. Loosen up. Your way too tense or something bro. Who cares if we have the game atleast we understand that its JUST A GAME!

[RedTalon]

Actually the thing about these cookie cutter jobs, dunno just picture everyone wanted to have ones. So in th end it is the non cookie cutter jobs that get invite or what not just because they are different.

Now when you post a job idea, I am assuming you do it for feed back. So both good and bad is to be expected. Now granted I think some of the negative feed back is a little harsh. THe whole that sucks, you will never get anything done with it types come to mind. Well it sort of crosses the line from suggesting to telling. Dunno at least that is what I think is causing all the probelms.

[MassaJJ]

"this is not some place you just come and have "fun" and do whatever"

Kirara - um... wow dude take it easy the whole point of games in general is to have fun. If your ever in my group and you try to tell me these so called "rules" and you try to tell me what to do I'm bootin your ass out just for being a douchebag.

[MassaJJ]

I agree with Scyrab... It matters a lot more whose playing.. and it matters alot about the quality of their computer too. It's easy to tell when somebody is lagging really bad and with these types of games if your computer ain't up to par then you probably won't be either.

basically the only 3 reasons I won't let someone in my group is because:
- too low level
- computer isn't good enough to handle fast paced gaming (like a healer who has to constantly stare at the ground or a wall.)
- and those few annoying people who are obsessed with roleplaying, get bitchy when you inspect them, or try to order me around.

[FFXITsukasa]

Yeah whats with those people and inspecting?! I mean I used to do it all the time and people would go off on you in EQ. I had people inspect me all the time they would immediatly say sorry. I just say "Its cool dude go ahead.". Some of those peoples are weird on online games. Its scary... almost disturbing.

[Kirara]

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whenever there's human interaction there's rules to follow, what governs this game's fun factor lies exactly in this set of rules and interaction.
is it fun to do bcnm? is it fun to hunt hnm with ls? is it fun to do mission with a party of friends? sure they are. however inorder to even to attemp to have fun like that one of the principle is that there are certain set of rules you have to follow to even get there.
fun is not just something you plug it next to your mouth and say it all day long. you have to work for that fun, with others, therefore, rules.

[Scyrab]

There are rules, I agree, but I don't think they are the type of rules you are suggesting. You don't HAVE to be a class because it is the only class that works. The type of rules in games are like Assist the monster the main tank is attacking, knowing your role in the party,etc. No matter what class you choose as a subjob you will ALWAYS be your main job(unless you change it hehe). If you are a White Mage/Warrior that does not make you any less of a white mage. It just doesn't give you the boosts that having a mage type class would give you. I'm sure you would take a White Mage/Black Mage over a White Mage/Warrior...but if there is a White Mage/Warrior is looking for group does that mean you aren't going to take them just because their sub job won't give them a "slight" boost in MP. I don't reccommend a White Mage/Warrior because it really doesn't do much for you - but if someone decides to be a Mage/Warrior, well be my guest- its a GAME. ^_^;;

I just don't understand where people are getting this idea. Maybe its just the way some people see things and I guess that is fine..but no matter what you choose as your sub job - you are still going to have the Main Job.

Sub jobs really don't give you much anyway- slight stat buffs, some abilities and possibly a few nice spells. It is not like you are getting 2 full classes to go with. You have one class you are level 70 in and one you are 35 in. That means you are 35 levels better then your sub job. That's a huge difference. If you think about it - you really aren't getting THAT MUCH from a sub job at this point.

Once again Kirara, I have nothing but respect for you and your opinion so don't take this the wrong way. I agree, the game has rules and standards..but not here. I don't think job/sub job has much of an impact. Not yet. Not now. If you are the leader of a group and don't want to take some one in because they didn't follow the path that a "small" (I know literally that the Japanese and Import population isn't considered small, but if you look at how populated the servers are going to be once this game goes live in America then this is kind of true..) PLUS not everyone reads these boards, not everyone looks at gamefaqs, or the FFXI website. Heck, when I played EQ I didn't look into that game at ALL, I bought it one day and made up my choices offhand.

Do you really believe that someone who has done no reasearch about the game is really going to choose a perfect combination? Chances are, no. It is inevitable, your going to have to learn to accept everyones job combinations eventually.

Who knows, maybe as the game goes on a once thought "Terrible Combination" may turn out to be quite powerful.

^_^ Okay, I'm done..I swear ^_^;;.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm against you Kirara - that is not the case. I respect you, and everyone else's opinion 150 percent. I am just stating what I believe in..and personally, I believe I have a semi-valid arguement. Thanks again.

Have a nice day!

[Kirara]

sure your opinion is valid... what i am saying is that those people screams for "fun" while not knowing anything and reject what someone (like me) have been playing the game's view
you can go and be blm/smn allyou want for the "fun" that you are going to be so frustrated from not beable to do ANYTHING

[Scyrab]

I hate to sound like I'm dragging this out but:

Even if they do choose Black Mage/Summoner that doesn't mean they can't do anything..they still will be a black mage no matter what. A black mage is a powerful class in and of itself. *I* think a Black Mage/White Mage is a better combination - but if I needed a Black Mage in my group I would take them in no matter what, simply because I needed them.

Get what I mean, kind of? The sub job really doesn't have that big an impact. If you want a good group should have a White Mage/--- anyway. The support healers are just there for exactly what their name suggests. To SUPPORT. They are not the main healers in a group or Linkshell. They are there to do the main healers, White Mages.

It is always nice to have support healers, but a group doesn't necessarily need them, but it may be nice to have them there. If you have a great White Mage though, or a group full of classes with healing abilities then it can also hinder the group.

Some classes only "feel" like they must do something because that is all people have really experimented with. A good example is the summoner topic. A lot of people say Summoner/ White mage is the only way to go because Summons aren't that effective and then they support heal. However, while the heals will be nice - they probably won't be needed half the time so it really isn't a big deal. I think if you pick either White Mage, Black Mage, or Black Mage then you can have an effect Summoner because you will get the MP boost plus something to do when your not summoning. White Mage would probably be most effective, but it isn't anything that would make a Summoner/Black mage look like a Peice of crap... *shrug* I may be wrong but who knows..

[Kirara]

... one white mage is not enough... actually white mage is really not "neccessary" at high level party, it's basicly three back line three front line, a good formation of that.
however, every mage has to beable to heal, and their main purpose is to heal (except in some weird occasion, such as smn fights, where each mage has different job), a mage's job is keep all mage's mp balanced... that's essecial, heal when needed, do not waste mp ever on black magic when it's not needed...

[MassaJJ]

worry bout yer own!