Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Yeah because who needs infrastructure, emergency response services, libraries, or schools. Or quality healthcare that won't bankrupt you if you get sick. Or clean air and labor laws, or civil rights... yeah, us left-leaning folk are just a plague on society with absolutely no work ethic.

Libraries are now up for debate. Maintaining old ones is one thing, building new libraries is a bit redundant with the decline of print. We'll always need print as a back-up, I guess, but building libraries probably should be on the decline in years to come.

Schools - go look at Chicago. The only answer to fixing them is really letting private schools compete with them. And don't give me this BS about corporate agendas or indoctrination because public schools already do good deal of political indoctrination. I knew of a Latin professor that was quite a bit of a cock, thought he was above the rest of the language department because he used to teach at Wake Forest. Used to. Called the Spanish students the future fast food employees of America, as I recall. Student newspaper had opinions to the contrary as I recall and he had to trot out one of his student drones to debate it for "fairness." They were wrong of course and the principle and school board would not make him apologize for insulting students and teachers alike nor could they remove him because he was teacher with tenure.

People like that... they need to face competition. Really face it because that guy put too much value in his history and not the future of his students. And I knew teachers that went above and beyond to engage students that deserved better than that fuckwit did, but were younger with less tenure.

Tenure is a nice idea in theory, but a bad idea in execution. It retains the sort of flaws inherent to a point system or DKP in an MMO endgame guild. That whole "I deserve this because I stood in this zone longer than you did" thing. The reward of time over talent or innovation is a bad investment and its not how most public sector jobs work. Time investment does not mean you're dedicated - I can show up on time at work and punch the clock, but that's just me showing up, not dedication. Dedication is improving what you do and there are plenty of examples of the public education system not even trying to do that.

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Rebuttal to "Wake the fuck up"

[cidbahamut]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I'm shocked to see you of all people pointing this out.

I'm just full of surprises.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Wasn't there an economist one time that said something along the lines that dissociation of effort and reward leads to economic collapse?

If anything, that's common sense, and why we all know that communism doesn't work--no matter how little effort you put into the system, you were rewarded all the same.

And yes, it's true that America is suffering a dissociation of effort and reward right now . . . but unlike what the far-right noisemakers want you to believe, it's actually due to overzealous capitalism instead of any sort of socialism. No matter how much effort you put into the system, you're not going to be given a proportional compensation. Though wages have increased in the past few decades, they're actually short of meeting inflationary rates. Class mobility is at a low, the middle class is shrinking, and much like Romney (who is admittedly a more extreme example), the rich are getting richer off of naught but their capital gains!

If we should be yelling at anybody to get to work to get our economy moving again, it's not the impoverished who are already struggling to hold on to 2-3 jobs--it's the rich who have more money than they know what to do with!

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Yeah, god forbid there be a safety net in place to help you when you fall on hard times and need a helping hand to get get back on your feet. God forbid we have policies in place that make healthcare affordable so people don't have to die from common illnesses because they can't afford to see a doctor.

Clearly if life deals us a shitty hand at any point we should all just suck it up and die in the gutter like good hard-working Americans, right?

I honestly do not understand the mindset that allows someone to say "I care nothing for my fellow man and will gladly turn away when it is within my power to help him at no cost to myself". It really and truly baffles me.

I'm shocked to see you of all people pointing this out.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Correct. And building roads is not the issue Republicans have with the way the Obama administration has been spending our tax dollars. Again, bad example.

Yeah, god forbid there be a safety net in place to help you when you fall on hard times and need a helping hand to get get back on your feet. God forbid we have policies in place that make healthcare affordable so people don't have to die from common illnesses because they can't afford to see a doctor.

Clearly if life deals us a shitty hand at any point we should all just suck it up and die in the gutter like good hard-working Americans, right?

I honestly do not understand the mindset that allows someone to say "I care nothing for my fellow man and will gladly turn away when it is within my power to help him at no cost to myself". It really and truly baffles me.

[Taskmage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Thanks for the thoughtful discussion, guys. It was good while it lasted.

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Yeah because who needs infrastructure, emergency response services, libraries, or schools. Or quality healthcare that won't bankrupt you if you get sick. Or clean air and labor laws, or civil rights... yeah, us left-leaning folk are just a plague on society with absolutely no work ethic.

Good lord, do you have a shrine dedicated to Ann Coulter or some shit?

Are you an idiot? Do you think republicans dont want infrastructure, emergency response services, libraries, or schools? Or clean air? Or civil rights? LOL... come on now... do you have a shrine of (insert any icon of the main stream liberal media here.)

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and i dislike Coulter.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Yeah because who needs infrastructure, emergency response services, libraries, or schools. Or quality healthcare that won't bankrupt you if you get sick. Or clean air and labor laws, or civil rights... yeah, us left-leaning folk are just a plague on society with absolutely no work ethic.

Good lord, do you have a shrine dedicated to Ann Coulter or some shit?

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

It's a perfect example. Government exists to help its citizens in a variety of ways.

Correct. And building roads is not the issue Republicans have with the way the Obama administration has been spending our tax dollars. Again, bad example.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

That's not the teet. Very bad example.

It's a perfect example. Government exists to help its citizens in a variety of ways.

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Yeah, those damn hippies wanting free government roads and stuff. Pave that shit yourself. Right Mezlo?

That's not the teet. Very bad example. And if that's all the liberals wanted from our government, we'd be in a much better place...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Yeah, those damn hippies wanting free government roads and stuff. Pave that shit yourself. Right Mezlo?

Then tell them they didn't build it and the when they're out of a job again that they're all lazy bums.

I'll believe the "work hard and apply yourself" ethos conservatives spew when it ceases to mean "know the right people and kiss ass often" because THAT is the environment baby boomers left us with and within it, college educations combined with or superseded by actual talent have become threatening to those who watched their 401ks evaporate and are trying to postpone the lifestyle they've been content to leave everyone under 40 with.

When you're the peson that believes in working hard, applying yourself and believes in free market solutions, you can still get cynical when you're only as good as or good for what your last job was. Meanwhile people who need jobs have to leave out their college educations just to get anything because your college education is a strike against you if you're applying to a grocery store just to get by. They think you'll leave once something better comes.

Then there's temp agencies... which as a concept should just be abolished because cheap labor is kind of hard to compete with. You can just be given minimum wage all the time, be disposed of without notice and sometimes promised a full-time job you'll never be given. It brings the full-timer's worth down, the value or a resume and education down.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Tea. The new Kool-Aid.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Yeah, those damn hippies wanting free government roads and stuff. Pave that shit yourself. Right Mezlo?

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Left wingers, tree huggers, and liberals suck. If you want something, work hard for it, don't suck on the teet of the government and ask me to pay for it. GTFO. I work hard for my money and I deserve the fruits of my labor. You want your own nice fruit, get a damn job. If you can't get a job, it means you're not qualified for one, work harder and maybe someone will hire you.

[Aeni]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I apologize ... I should clarify.

"Income inequality is bad for society" is in regards to a collective system. In other words, if you're trying to govern a body of people, but working in the best interest of a whole, then everyone needs to be on equal footing.

When a certain number of people hold an overwhelming majority of wealth, power and influence, then you're dealing with a system that doesn't advocate the collective interest but self interests or the interest of a minority.

I think you were asking whether or not there was a time in our history where there wasn't income inequality. Yes, there was, but there was also a different kind of inequality that would run in its place. For example, a religious society where there is a "spirituality" inequality or a society built on "social inequality" in the context of a caste system or a system built by slavery.

Given the context of this discussion, I highly doubt any Western country could be run with religion alone and I highly doubt any Western country would willingly go back to a system of caste/slavery. So the issue here is whether or not income inequality is good for these societies. And again, I will answer, "it depends on what kind of society you want". If you wish for a collective society, no, income inequality is bad. If you wish for a society of self-interests, special-interests or a kind of plutocracy, those that would wield such power, wealth or control will tell you, "yes", income inequality is good.