Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

That last bit pretty much proves you've never watched him, or you'd know damn well he's far from Obama's "lap dog". He's far from a libertarian as well, idk where you got that from... the guy's pretty damned Liberal.


Anyways, @ TM: That's some sad shit. And seriously, notice it's pretty much all Black people... surprise surprise. Poor black area that people only pay lip service to.

That's why I got really upset when it turned out John Edwards was a piece of shit. He's the only mainstream candidate in years to champion against poverty. Also, a lot of people mistakenly consider themselves a part of the middle class, when they're really the working poor (under 40k/year for individual incomes IIRC - it may even be 50~60 now.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Reminds me of a bit Bill Maher had on his show a while back, and they purposely tried to avoid the most "redneck-ish" (if I may use that as a term) people, and they still came off as total hicks... this back during the NC primary I think, asking about Romney and also what people thought about Obama. It continues to mystify me how so many people in the lower income bracket keep voting against their own interests (Republican).

Again, neither party are exactly saints here, just 1 party is somewhat sensible and the other is whacked out of its mind... it's a lesser of 2 evils scenario

You're kind of missing a huge point here - and you're citing Bill Mahar again so its no surprise - but North Carolina is not traditionally a Republican stronghold This chenged just two years ago and Health Care Reform was a big part of that change. Most people here didn't want that, in fact, they were infuriated by the fact Obama made that his focuses rather than Jobs.

Let me give you some insight into how well jobs are going here. Two weeks Trader Joe's had a job fair. Five hundred people turned out to compete for less than forty positions at minimum wage and part time hours. This week, the same level of people will bombard the Gamestop job fair to compete for five positions that will amount to little more Black Friday maybe four hours a week or every other week if you are lucky. But that's Gamestop being Gamestop.

Manufacturing jobs? Get in through a temp agency or give up all hope.

Is Bill Maher from NC? Don't think so, so he wouldn't know pre-2010 this was a fiercely dominant Democrat stronghold state. People flipped allegiences or went independant because Obama not only failed to make job growth a priority, but instead prioritized legislation rather damaging to this state. More taxes for tobbacco - and spare me the lectures on the evils of smoking, Obama killed jobs and now my city especially deals with the fallout and increased competition for basic jobs. Oh, and we have a huge medical community here, with HCR creating a strain and new worries there as well. Governor Perdue made a deal with Dell that proved to be a losing deal for the state, which she later remedied by sealing a better deal with Caterpillar, but it was still frustrating to those of use experienced Dell's "Jobs."

So yeah, I can't imagine why people would look Romney's direction in NC. Obama's clearly done our state no favors (though I guess Bank of America loves to do him some favors).

But yeah, Bill Maher. Big "Libertarian" as he describes himself. So libertarian, in fact, he's privately donated millions to Obama and is practically his lapdog. I'd sooner find actual objective journalism between MSNBC and Fox News.

[Taskmage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

This one's for you, Mal:

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Reminds me of a bit Bill Maher had on his show a while back, and they purposely tried to avoid the most "redneck-ish" (if I may use that as a term) people, and they still came off as total hicks... this back during the NC primary I think, asking about Romney and also what people thought about Obama. It continues to mystify me how so many people in the lower income bracket keep voting against their own interests (Republican).

Again, neither party are exactly saints here, just 1 party is somewhat sensible and the other is whacked out of its mind... it's a lesser of 2 evils scenario

[Taskmage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

On the general subject: How Income Divides Democrats, Republicans, And Independents : Planet Money : NPR

Gee, how freakin curious that over the last 10 years, fewer and fewer people have been identifying as Republican and more and more have been identifying as independent. What's non-ironically curious is that most of those losses seem to be coming from the high-income range. Also worth noting are low-income voters shifting from Democrat to independent, although the numbers across the general public have been fairly steady.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I think its important to also point out that the Tea Party people that aren't willing to compromise are largely baby boomers headed for retirement and want to hold sway over the culture while they still can, Younger Tea Party members are more accepting and willing to compromise, particularly on social issues (which really means they're closet libertarians).

Younger Occupiers, however, are idealistic, but naive in the way the world actually works. Half of them got out of college and instantly saw they never had a chance with college educations - kinda like in Greece but with less social unrest and less actual bathing. Older Occupiers from their 30s to 40s I'm a touch more sympathetic toward because they they see the bullshit baby boomer Tea Partiers spew as just that - bullshit. And its that bullshit they want changed in corporate culture and on social issues. I think many of them are closet Green Party or possibly Libertarians as well - the just don't know how articulate themselves as such because they really want the Democrat/Republican thing to work so they don't feel excluded.

Hence my southpark reference to the hippies episode. I very much they're closet libertarians. Green party's a possibility but... lolGreen party (especially ours.)


The biggest problem with the occupy movement, as Van Jones rightly pointed out, was the lack of leadership (not to mention the random asshats who ransacked the local shops, crapping in the washrooom sinks etc... I'm not making this up either sadly.) - A movement like this needs direction and a well-articulated mission statement, especially given the objective/target.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

You can't govern a nation without at least some compromise, and of all of the major splinter factions in modern American politics, the Tea Party is the least willing to give an inch on any issue (followed very closely by their spiritual equivalents in the Occupy movement).

I think its important to also point out that the Tea Party people that aren't willing to compromise are largely baby boomers headed for retirement and want to hold sway over the culture while they still can, Younger Tea Party members are more accepting and willing to compromise, particularly on social issues (which really means they're closet libertarians).

Younger Occupiers, however, are idealistic, but naive in the way the world actually works. Half of them got out of college and instantly saw they never had a chance with college educations - kinda like in Greece but with less social unrest and less actual bathing. Older Occupiers from their 30s to 40s I'm a touch more sympathetic toward because they they see the bullshit baby boomer Tea Partiers spew as just that - bullshit. And its that bullshit they want changed in corporate culture and on social issues. I think many of them are closet Green Party or possibly Libertarians as well - the just don't know how articulate themselves as such because they really want the Democrat/Republican thing to work so they don't feel excluded.

[Icemage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I can't stand it when people are dismissive of the tea party because they are a group that is primarily discontent more with the republican establishment, just like the occupy movement is rather discontent with those on the left and the right. I wish they'd stop gobbling up the bullshit that drops out of a liberal's ass each time they baselessly peg them as racist, homophobic and such because they are not one unified group, but one that may consist of disenfranchised democrats, independents, libertarians and conservatives that to come to realize Republicans really don't embrace their values and wish to change that.

They don't agree on everything, but they do agree on the idea that career Democrats and Republicans overspend and underbudget which is kind of what got us into all of this shit to start with - not just a president.

My issue with the Tea Party isn't the fact that they disagree with the Republican establishment. It's the acrimonious tone they use. It's not constructive, it's not helpful, and it gets us nowhere as a nation.

You can't govern a nation without at least some compromise, and of all of the major splinter factions in modern American politics, the Tea Party is the least willing to give an inch on any issue (followed very closely by their spiritual equivalents in the Occupy movement).


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

It goes both ways though lol...

I cringed when I saw some of the occupy shots... I swear at one point on CNN, there was a goddamn drum circle going on in the background - an actual drum circle! @_@; Everyone interviewed was the stereotypical "College Know-it-all Hippie" like in that southpark episode ><

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

but the majority of what they show on TV

Yup, that's the problem right there.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I can't stand it when people are dismissive of the tea party because they are a group that is primarily discontent more with the republican establishment, just like the occupy movement is rather discontent with those on the left and the right. I wish they'd stop gobbling up the bullshit that drops out of a liberal's ass each time they baselessly peg them as racist, homophobic and such because they are not one unified group, but one that may consist of disenfranchised democrats, independents, libertarians and conservatives that to come to realize Republicans really don't embrace their values and wish to change that.

They don't agree on everything, but they do agree on the idea that career Democrats and Republicans overspend and underbudget which is kind of what got us into all of this shit to start with - not just a president.

I've said from the beginning some of the sentiments they embody aren't all that wrong, but the majority of what they show on TV (and probably because it sells) are crazy, racist ignorant assholes. It doesn't help that most of the tea party candidates that won last time around in 2010 are also pretty extreme.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

They're also funded by the Kochs, last I heard . . .

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I just can't stand it when people get dismissive of the left, usually out of ignorance. I know I might come off that way, but I'm *not* dismissive or against conservatism - I'm against the prevalent extremism that's been exhibited by the Republicans that began with Nixon and has gotten steadily worse (tea party).

I can't stand it when people are dismissive of the tea party because they are a group that is primarily discontent more with the republican establishment, just like the occupy movement is rather discontent with those on the left and the right. I wish they'd stop gobbling up the bullshit that drops out of a liberal's ass each time they baselessly peg them as racist, homophobic and such because they are not one unified group, but one that may consist of disenfranchised democrats, independents, libertarians and conservatives that to come to realize Republicans really don't embrace their values and wish to change that.

They don't agree on everything, but they do agree on the idea that career Democrats and Republicans overspend and underbudget which is kind of what got us into all of this shit to start with - not just a president.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

We're actually bombing Pakistan? Freaking news to me. I could be mistaken, but so far as I see,
Are we not yet still sending them millions, that militants use to incite civilians?
Pakistan's shown themselves clearly our foe; weren't they the ones harboring Bin Laden, O.?
Yet so far as I've heard, there's been no striking back: Libya's the one who went under attack!
The point yet remains, quite clear to any eyes, that Obama holds "Most Ironic Peace Prize"
And do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thus concludes all of the contents of this song.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

My point was in a more broad sense in that "socialism" is what a (democratic) government is in essence. If the Republicans truly believed in abolishing "redistribution", there wouldn't be any taxes at all.

I just can't stand it when people get dismissive of the left, usually out of ignorance. I know I might come off that way, but I'm *not* dismissive or against conservatism - I'm against the prevalent extremism that's been exhibited by the Republicans that began with Nixon and has gotten steadily worse (tea party).


And you're probably right about Libraries, sadly. I still think it's a good idea to invest in current ones and keep them updated as technology advances, but there doesn't seem to be much need to the construction of new ones. My point was again, that Libraries are funded by tax dollars (and were Ben Franklin's idea, so I guess he's a socialist in FOX's eyes) - something that seemed to escape Glen Beck in a rather hilariously stupid statement he made a while back (He was ranting about social justice & Hitler, and how he educated himself "for free" at the Public Library.... /facepalm)


Oh and then there was Craig T. Nelson who on FOX News, made his own brilliant statement "I was on food stamps and welfare and nobody ever gave me any help!"


/headdesk