Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

It was nice to see a moderator actually call a politician on the fact that they didn't actually answer the question. We definitely need more of that. Also the moderators need to be able to mute a candidate's mic when it's not their turn.

She didn't seem terribly interested in calling out Biden on his totally false employment statistics or his fudging around on the embassy attack. I mean, either Hillary Clinton is wrong or he's right and I would hope no one would be stupid enough to think she's going to take the fall for that. She won't.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

[cidbahamut]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Well I enjoyed how Biden was nearly falling out of his seat laughing at Ryan and called him out on his bullshit.

Neither side really presented anything significant, but Ryan came across as actively trying to deceive while Biden was just interrupting all the time pointing out said deceptions. The bit on Iran was probably the most telling. Sanctions were presented as utterly destroying the Iranian economy. Short of taking military action there's not many other options on the table but Ryan/Romney want a tougher stance just because that's what Republicans always try to do, but it really looks like the next step is military involvement, which is exactly what this country does not need.

It was nice to see a moderator actually call a politician on the fact that they didn't actually answer the question. We definitely need more of that. Also the moderators need to be able to mute a candidate's mic when it's not their turn.

ramble ramble ramble

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

So I'm guessing that VP debate didn't do much for anyone.

Bidan - Be a jackass, don't really answer anything.
Ryan - Don't answer anything, drink water, furrow brow.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I think the alternative vote is a good plan for a long-term voting system. While it wouldn't change the system right away, It does stand to erode the power base over time and that's precisely what needs to happen with the Democrats and Republicans.

Under that process my vote would probably flow like:

1. Gary Johnson
2. Jill Stein
3. Mitt Romney
4. Barack Obama

Still, initially, people would make the same arguments about voting third party. Additionally, for something like this to be instated, it would have to happen in an election where everyone is starting from the bottom and there's t no incumbent. Party loyalty is going to keep people from wanting to implement a system while there are incumbents seeking another term. And that's for any office. They'd never agree on the year.

EDIT:

ABC's 'facts" are broken.

Unemployment is not 7.8%, those numbers are fudged so hard its sad. Additionally the Americans unemployed aren't 12.1 million, more like 24 million - that includes the underemployed, the 99 weekers and those that have just given up. Biden is peddling the same cooked books the White House was pushing since Bush was in office.

[Melody]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

What monster have I created....on this thread. I thought it wouldn't reach past 5. This is a glorious night.

[Raydeus]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

And don't forget this one.

So, yeah.

[Armando]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

This is like saying voting for Catwoman steals a vote from The Joker and lets Lex Luthor win.

That's exactly what I'm saying. For Catwoman to win, you need a different voting system. I'm not an expert but this seems like a pretty good alternative.

[Raydeus]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

That's true, but you also have to consider the electoral college and how that's rigged too. In the end they can legally flat out ignore the votes of the people and rig things their way legally through Math, through law and through force.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

At the end of the day, I'll probably still be voting Jill Stein, knowing full well the system is rigged against her 8 ways to Sunday. If I can do nothing else, voting for what I believe in is still a better choice than not voting at all.

If only all the eligible voters in this country actually did that, we could hypothetically actually see a dang third party win. Less than 50% of the people are voting each year! Whatever other flaws Democracy has aside, you can't deny that it is little wonder that our government is messed up and more connected to the corporations than the people. Money aside, the corporations vote, and the people don't (in large enough numbers) when they can!

There are several things messed up about politics in this country, but I'm not going to be contributing to one of them by not voting. It's just as Rush said, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I imagine if he wins a 2nd term things will be quite different.

how so?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

If voting for not-a-murderer means the worse of the two murderers wins, you've got more blood on your hands than if you had just voted for the lesser of the two evils. It's that simple.

This is like saying voting for Catwoman steals a vote from The Joker and lets Lex Luthor win. She may not have a chance of winning, but she has a conscience, at least.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

At the risk of making an ass out of myself (didn't follow US politics much when I lived in PR), isn't it? You hate A, and B is OK but you still don't like that option either. Then C appears with a similar platform to B, but better. Some of B's voters vote for C, now A wins by a landslide. Isn't the solution to move away from a single vote system? I don't see what voting third party is going to achieve other than help one of the two mainstream candidates win.

That's about the size of it, sadly.


And the electoral college seriously needs to gtfo, but again the powers that be ain't about to allow that. Also again, as Maher likes to point out (though I don't ENTIRELY agree with this sentiment, I do feel there's some merit in it) he's the 1st Black President - so he's probably more cautious than he'd like to be about certain issues. I imagine if he wins a 2nd term things will be quite different.

[Armando]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

If you're telling me I have to choose murderer or prospective murderer, I'm going to vote for not-a-murderer. If that's "Throwing away my vote," so fucking be it. I will not vote for blood on my hands.

If voting for not-a-murderer means the worse of the two murderers wins, you've got more blood on your hands than if you had just voted for the lesser of the two evils. It's that simple.

Until the voting system changes, that's your only choice. Anything else is irrational. If you don't like it, change the system, but don't cast a vote that screws you over.

[Raydeus]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

If it helps as a reference people here in MX have considered voting a waste of time for decades.

The past 2 elections have been won by the opposition leader but the Government shamelessly steals the elections and forgives proven election fraud criminals without much need to hide it. And all of it is under the orders and sponsorship of the US Government. Now, the problem is the US has had the same 3rd world elections for quite some time now. Only more expensive.

So no matter who you vote for in the current system, the outcome and the subsequent laws and policies have been already been rigged from the start. Everything else is just a show for the masses.

And while at least people in the US seem to be waking up to the futility of continuing with the current system it's probably already too late to root out the Corporate influence without resorting to destroying the current Government machine and rebuilding it from the inside. There was a report in RT about Ron Paul denouncing the Corporate "Think Tanks" influence more than 20 years ago, so you can imagine how much control they have by now.