Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

If delays are the worse case scenario couldn't he/she just get the MRI at an independent lab and take it to his/her doctor?

What Canadians do when they need some medical procedure quickly and can't stand to wait around an aggregious amount of time in Canada, is they come to the US for it.

[Raydeus]

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If delays are the worse case scenario couldn't he/she just get the MRI at an independent lab and take it to his/her doctor?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Well, another Canadian i know just told me their MRI was rescheduled for May 2013... so I'm just going to question the "better" thing. That's almost an eight month wait for an MRI that I could, if needed, get within two days or a week at worst. Doesn't matter what the MRI is for, that kind of wait time is unacceptable.

The difference between the USA and Canada is the difference between White Mage/Scholar and Summoner/White Mage in terms of service, its just the insurers in the US are all prissy RDMs that turn down your invites because your EXP party isn't ideal.

And being a Puppetmaster might mean you have pre-existing condition.

Might be a slightly dated analogy, Puppetmaster notwithstanding, but it is what it is.

[Firewind]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

I think he meant morally good due to Canada meeting the qualifications of having Universal Healthcare. I've no idea what the current state of the healthcare system is in Canada and how it compares to anyone else since I don't live there and I prefer to go on just the facts, but the best person to talk to about the state of the NHS in the UK would be Satori given that he works in the NHS.

[Mezlo]

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Mezlo: I think he means that Doctors have left for the US because they are paid more there.

Agreed. How good can your healthcare be if its grossly understaffed and all the good doctors and nurses have left?

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Saying you have a good health care system but are grossly understaffed is like trying to make an arguement saying am elementary school system in a certain area is really good, but it is grossly understaffed having 100 students per classroom. Being understaffed makes it bad.

[Firewind]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Mal: Greece wasn't a Democracy. Only Citizens (the ruling class of Ancient Greece) could vote. No other social class was allowed to vote and women and slaves couldn't become Citizens. Basically if you weren't part of the Elite you had no say in how anything is ran at all (which is pretty much how the UK has always been run).

Mezlo: I think he means that Doctors have left for the US because they are paid more there.

[Mezlo]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

oh poop

[Mezlo]

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We are grossly understaffed in that regard because we just don't have the money - not to mention a good chunk of our doctors and nurses leave Canada to work in the U.S. because you make a lot more money in the private sector.

So Canada has better healthcare, just not with the good doctors and nurses. The good doctors and nurses left to go seek jobs in the US because of our private sector... Hmmm... That doesn't sound like "better" health care to me...

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

He held his ground I'll give him that.

I still was surprised at his overall lack of knowledge on some matters, and just how much BS he was spewing - though to his credit, it's just based on his own knowledge & experience. I don't much care for the guy, but I do respect him for not being like Hannity or Beck who both either know better (and spew their BS on purpose, as Bill pointed out himself about guys like Limbaugh) or I suppose in Beck's case (as evidence by some absurdly retarded statements he's made publicly) are so misinformed and outright retarded that they buy into their own BS.


Bill was partially right about the debt vs deficit for example - Yes, John was mixing up the two, however Jon's overall point was still correct. In fact, had Gore won and kept up the surpluses, the U.S. would have been on track to eliminate the debt entirely by now.

I also totally agree with Bill's point about making voting more engaging. There are countries in Europe with laws in place now where you if you fail to vote without a damned good reason more than twice, your right to vote is revoked permanently. Too many people who bitch & moan about shit but then don't vote and yes while the system certainly is rigged to an extent and needs some drastic changes (in your case it's the electoral college that needs to GTFO, for us it's the "First Past the Post") if you don't vote, you do not get to bitch. Period. That's my view anyway.

I was actually afraid at first when he suggested a more engaged political process lol, because Ancient Greece is still to this date the only country to have been a true democracy. And honestly, it's just not a good idea - A republic (representative government) works far better. I will say however that the founding fathers were right to originally have senators appointed by governors, to act as a check against the house much in the same way the supreme court is a check against the entirety of congress. It was pure bullshit to change things to have Senators elected. At least here in Canada we were smart to follow that original example, although if Harper has his way that could very well change. You need an appointed Senate because that way they're not worrying about elections and focusing purely on the job at hand. And this is hugely important, because people are stupid and sometimes you need another party to look at a proposal and say "No, that's stupid, try again."

Unfortunately that's not quite how it works anymore. Now granted, it's not like appointments wouldn't be biased in some way either, but if you take the pressures of elections off the table it does help.


OH, and I absolutely wanted to skull fuck Bill when he mentioned Canada & the UK. Go to hell you asshole, we get *better* care than you guys and for less money. Yes, it can be slow unfortunately but no one ever mentions WHY - it's not the goddamn system, it's the proportion of medical staff & equipment to the population. We are grossly understaffed in that regard because we just don't have the money - not to mention a good chunk of our doctors and nurses leave Canada to work in the U.S. because you make a lot more money in the private sector. You're basically stealing some of our talent (hell, that's true of a lot professions really - people get trained & educated here and then move to the U.S. to strike it rich. Kinda the opposite of what's happening on your side with regards to illegal immigration)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

It was very good overall. I didn't really expect Bill to keep up with Jon on humor but aside from a couple whiffs actually did really good. Then again, he's had plenty of comedians including Stewart to spar with over the years.

[Taskmage]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

Finally got to the health care stuff about an hour and 10 in. Good exchange.

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Political Kombat

That was surprisingly good.

[Malacite]

Re: Melody's Melodramatic Meltdown on Mitt Romney (Tounge Twister?)

aw FUCK I forgot that was on tonight.

[Taskmage]

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O'Reilly: Nobody begrudges people who need a safety net.

Really? They don't? Nobody does? Really!?

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Isn't the easy answer to "arthritis suddenly sweeping through" called "the baby boom?"

[Raydeus]

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