Elvaan Thiefs ain't so bad?

[Mookie]

Yes everyone does more damage and when we fight a high DEF mob everyone does less
When you exp you are going to fight what you can kill the fastest for the best exp no? With those pictures I was stating my damage on the mobs my parties were currently exping. I didn't go "hey this mob is low DEF lets go do some SCs on it", there is no reason to fight stronger monsters than you need to for the same (or less since you wont be able to chain as easily) exp.


But what I was saying about 14 levels above me, as you gain levels your damage goes up.
Damage I once thought was awesome on my WAR, seeing those numbers now aren't even close to impressive.
I will be able to do more damage on the bats under Garlige Citadel at 49 than I was able to do to the ones on the top floor at 35.
The damage THF does goes up in time just like everyone else, that was my point in saying that.
(I have a Elvaan THF friend in almost same equipment as me breaking 600 almost every time on SATA Viper Bite and he broke 700 several times (Under Garlige Citadel at lvl 48 & 49)).


I did notice a damage reduction in Crawlers Nest tonight. My average SATA Viper Bite was around 440 with my highest almost breaking 500 (was 491 or somethign like that), but my SATA was still around 275, so I didn't really notice a huge difference (except when the damn thing uses its defense boots right before my SATA Viper Bite, then I have trouble breaking 300(which happened atleast 5 times).

But the whole point of this thread was to debate if Elvaans can make good THFs or not. To do that you have to look at the damage they are doing on the mobs you are currently exping. I've been in Garlige Citadel (top floor) with 5 different jobs and I have yet to see a THF of any race pull the kind of numbers I was pulling so I came to the conculsion of yes Elvaan can make good THFs.
I get compliments on my damage in almost every single party I join. If you fail to see that Elvaan can make good THFs (of course they aren't going to be "better" than Mithra since the race was designed around the THF class) then oh well.

[Elsurion]

Originally posted by Buuyon
nah i pt with a pld drg drk(me) rdm(or bard) and whm leaving a space open for another DD, so its either blm or rng cuz thf and other jobs cant match their damage

I wouldn't join a party if they don't have a thf or around 66 a /thf, since a might pld can hold the damage i do as ranger, but i feel real safer with a thf. also i would skip the drg.

[Rogan]

I'm the drg and we static so, no thanks. and that's just you many people including me, will party without thfs, they arent needed imo unless you have a bad pld, and anyways Buuyon's going /thf at 60 so there lies the solution

[Buuyon]

Originally posted by Elsurion
I wouldn't join a party if they don't have a thf or around 66 a /thf, since a might pld can hold the damage i do as ranger, but i feel real safer with a thf. also i would skip the drg.

wheeling thrust>spinning slash, no good scs when i pt with a thf...(and yes im aware a rng would do more but oh well)

[Jaggywaggy]

no good scs when i pt with a thf

Pre 60 there are 3 ways between you 2 to make distortion chain with thfs ending on viper bite. And distortion being effective against all common mid game xp mobs is a good note. I completely understand why you'd need ranger more in that setup though and if I was in your shoes for that specfic party setup, I'd likely look for ranger's first also, and maybe Sams. Between the 3 of you you could make 2 decent distortion chains.

Double thrust---> viper, power slash---> VB, vorpal scythe-->VB. Thf+drg mix well from our first learned WSs to our last so I don't see the point there. And if drk has from both GSD and Scythe to choose from, we can mix well at most sections on the game too.

Although after 60 thf would SC better with drg than drk...Drk+thf after 66 simply don't mix well, conflicting roles and WSs.

And I'm not surprised with a pld tank you don't need thf when your damage dealers are drg and drk. Only a rng,blm, and a mnk with cross counters,snipers,brown belt,etc should have the power to steal hate from a good pld on command. If the tank is a good pld and he's not depending on added hate, that means I'm there to end large [SATA(WS)+SC] onto the tank to make sure freeze MB doesn't turn the mob to the blm with a nice 500ish+150-350 SC. Ever since the mid 50s my SATA(WS) have gotten far mroe consistent, but the SCs have been really random.

Like drk/thf post 66, thfs aren't always there for hate control, but "Sometimes" for the sole purpose to be skill chain enders , followed up by huge magic bursts. Although there are exceptions. Ninja's still benefit from thieves hate control though, even if they're good, unlike pld which can generate more instant hate under most circumstances. Ninja takes more time to get huge hate reserves but once it builds it, it's golden. Which is why thfs are there for them, to generate a large starting pile of hate.

Thf+Rng+Blm post 50 and on = 30-45 second battles, end of story. It's evening scarier 55 post with slugshot and sidewinder, the mob barely gets a few swings off before dying. I felt the need to state all this because I'm getting the impression you really misunderstand thief. And being drk, whom thfs happen to be rivals with, I'm not surprised either.

Anyway that's all I have to add in the somewhat hijacked thread. I already said what I wanted to about elvaan thfs pages back. And that would be they're absolutely fine if they compensate they're weaknesses...but I don't buy into the "Elvaan is uber" crap either, that so many of them claim about every single job.

I wouldn't hold anything against elvaans in the thf job though. Unlike mages were mp is simply dominate on such a large scale, just slightly better equips for thf can really make any race dominate in this job. The exception being the perfectly equipped mithra.

[Rogan]

our 3rd DD is always rng or blm unless i get very desperate to start the pt, which has only happened about once I'll get a mnk, not that theyre bad, but we prefer the sc penta thrust> vorpal scythe> sidewinder, actually we had a rng using a gun and silver bullets in our pt which was really nice yet unexpected at this lvl, and slug shot works just as good if not better, and yes I know theyre the same thing

[tdh]

As an Elvaan DRK, I need a THF subjob. I've only gotten to Lv.25, and at that level, you'll often level with anything just so you can get into the 30's and then build those kick ass parties.

In the 1st jungle I partied with a Hume THF. They had pretty much every ounce of DEX a THF could have at that level. Which turned out to be like DEX+20. I was working with DEX+12 or 13 I believe. I was doing SA+Fast Blade, he was doing SA+Shadowstick I believe. I was SA'n in the low 100's; 110-120 range, and he was usually right around the 150 mark. Not far off, but a difference you could see.

When it came time for WSs, his Shadowstick was out doing my Fast Blade by at least 60 each time, against Mandys and mainly Gobbys. I was surprised though, that I build TP faster than he did. It actually seemed like I was more accurate than he was.

As far as THFs go, I know I'm not the best, but I plan to get better gear to make my damage higher. But I don't think I'm a horrible one. I've always proven to be an asset to the team.

Another THF in my LS is Elvaan, and he kicks ass as far as THF's I've seen. He's also in a static party and wasn't worried about not getting picked up because of race.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by tdh
As an Elvaan DRK, I need a THF subjob. I've only gotten to Lv.25, and at that level, you'll often level with anything just so you can get into the 30's and then build those kick ass parties.

In the 1st jungle I partied with a Hume THF. They had pretty much every ounce of DEX a THF could have at that level. Which turned out to be like DEX+20. I was working with DEX+12 or 13 I believe. I was doing SA+Fast Blade, he was doing SA+Shadowstick I believe. I was SA'n in the low 100's; 110-120 range, and he was usually right around the 150 mark. Not far off, but a difference you could see.

When it came time for WSs, his Shadowstick was out doing my Fast Blade by at least 60 each time, against Mandys and mainly Gobbys. I was surprised though, that I build TP faster than he did. It actually seemed like I was more accurate than he was.

SA fastblade should Destroy Shadowstitch.