Would an elvaan make a decent Ranger?

[AntAnt]

Ant

I would like to get a test going, too bad were all on different servers:

Elv RNG50/NIN25 nakid cept +1 rings / war bow +1 / scorpion arrows
Mit RNG50/NIN25 nakid cept +1 rings / war bow +1 / scorpion arrows

Of corse you need high lvl whm, and pld in the party to make this work.

Then lets get screen shots of the chat log and paste them into one long image and notate each miss and tally everything up and put it on a webpage so everyone can stfu about race differences.

If i can get this done I will. I dont know any high lvl whm or pld. only same lvl as me.

Anyone see any issues with this test? What should be done differently?

[FeralisCallidus]

Second, I damn well sure know what a parser is. I've used one in EverQuest for my Rogue, and I've been in guilds who ran raid-parsers. Yeah, it can be doctored, but if you provide a screencap of the log (assuming you're using a non-idiotic parser). Besides, there are always in-game pictures. I'll even host them for you. With pictures, its harder to refute; unless you're that much of a loser to go in and doctor images to prove a point (although its usually easy to tell when images are doctored). Oh, and be sure to show us both Rangers' gear.

Ok, let me just go back in time and take a screen shot of EVERY SINGLE SECOND of battle.

Like say, how Mithran Dex/Agi vs. Elvaan Dex/Agi is "negligible" and yet Elvaan Str vs. Mithran Str makes an "OMG MASSIVE DMG DIFFERENCE WOWZORS!!!!1111oneone"

You obviously have no idea how the algorithms of this game work. So... I'm not even going to dignify that with a refute. =\

It's hilarious how Noobosaurs act like they know anything about end-game battle dynamics. :spin:

Edit: You'll just have to take my [elvaan] word for it.

Now, that was just retarded.

Btw, DrSerpico~ Both SAM and DRG are horribly gimped when it comes to DMG. I can see a SAM outdamaging a DRG and visa-versa. =\



AntAnt: There is more to PT dynamics than a WHM and a PLD. You need enfeeblers and buffers.

[JayblahX]

Thats it? Noobasaurus was the best you could do?

Folks,

Take note.

Called out to verify his bloated claims, he instead retaliates with excuses, insults, and general worthless nothingness. Yet, there's no proof. Not even your uber-network of a million-plus-two level 75 Japanese friends is gunna make you appear any less stupid this time Feralis.

Congratulations on appearing like a hostile, trapped animal. Hiss at us some more.

What a joke.

P.S. Tell ya what dipshit, when I reach this vaunted ceiling of level 50 when I suddenly gain an epiphany and zen-like wisdom that isn't available otherwise (nope, absorbing the knowledge of people far wiser than Feralis from this forum and in-game doesn't count, mind you) I'll return to this thread and request proof. What's your pathetic excuse going to be then?

[JayblahX]

And since I'm such a nice guy.

I guess I'll have to hold your hand, Feralis.

Click here to download a parser.

The above link leads to a parser. Assuming you don't have one (which you probably don't), download it.

Now, you can parse data and take screencaps of it, like so:

An example of a screencrap using this parser.

So, now, what's your next excuse going to be? Put up or shut the fuck up. You're a blowhard who proclaimed you have a parser that proves you do SUPER DOOPER DAMAGE vs. a Mithra Ranger, let's see it. Hell, I'd be happy to be proven wrong and see that you outdamage a Mithra by a million points of damage, just so long as you prove it.

AntAnt: There is more to PT dynamics than a WHM and a PLD. You need enfeeblers and buffers.

Cut. The. Shit. Bards are a luxury, and not always in a party, unless it happens to be static. Red Mages are more likely to be in a party. Nonetheless, absolutely nothing can be contested about a static, direct comparision: Mithra Ranger as is, vs. Elvaan Ranger as is.

EDIT: AntAnt, I updated the above link. Try now sir.

[AntAnt]

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too bad this parser wont unzip. ill run the tests myself.

have another link?

[greysenn]

If you're going to goof with a test like that, either have it just be the bow and arrows (the more +acc you get the closer you get to softcapping it, I suspect this will put more to the elvaans favor) , or have it be comparable gear setup on both of them.

The latter is favorable because really, who xp's naked.

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by AntAnt


Ants: Mithra - 32RNG/30WAR/15MNK/15THF
Ant: Elv - 50RNG/30WAR/30NIN/15THF

Nodsih (beta)-40 WAR/25 DRK/17 THF/16 SAM
Hisdon (current)-60 DRK/37 THF/31 WAR/18 MNK

DrScorp still doesn't buy my info and my findings were the same as yours

I like this parser thing but it says the files are currupt, any info on how to fix this?

[JayblahX]

From what I read, I'd say the best bow Rangers are Elvaan, and then Galka (both close to each other) from a purely damage dealing perspective.

This assumes you have great gear (+RAcc.) and buffs (Bardic) and debuffs. I'm requesting proof because I really doubt the damage difference is as large as our friend here exaggeratedly claims.

Also, Hisdon, comparing a beta Ranger to a Ranger in today's game is a bit far-fetched. I think you look foolish trying to proclaim you are an expert (my words) on Mithran vs. Elvaan differences based on Beta vs. Current Rangers, personally. There are also bias to account for. I don't intend to play a Ranger, but if I did, it would be an Elvaan. I don't even care if they were the worst Rangers; those animations are TOO GOOD.

Not sure why you guy are getting corrupt files. It obviously works for many people over in the other forums, and seems to have been updated recently. Don't know what to say.

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by JayblahX

Also, Hisdon, comparing a beta Ranger to a Ranger in today's game is a bit far-fetched. I think you look foolish trying to proclaim you are an expert (my words) on Mithran vs. Elvaan differences based on Beta vs. Current Rangers, personally. There are also bias to account for. I don't intend to play a Ranger, but if I did, it would be an Elvaan. I don't even care if they were the worst Rangers; those animations are TOO GOOD.

you missed the point of my post. I've played both races to great extent and this has nothing to do with RNG, but accuracy in general. Accuracy between races isn't that huge, that's what I meant.

[Tidane]

Its not just him, not working for me either. Winzip and Winrar (well I had to try ) both give a corrupt error, tried redownloading and such, nothing. The parser update will unzip fine though, lol.

[AntAnt]

Ant

I just downloaded it for the 14th time. It works now. I plan to set this up tonight.

Now to find a mithra with the same level and gear on at the same time as me and a whm and pld to help us.

[DrSerpico]

Ooops, he did it again.

I promised I wouldn't, but I couldn't stay away.

It's hilarious how Noobosaurs act like they know anything about end-game battle dynamics.

Endgame dynamichs at 56? at level 60 you have gained about half the exp total needed to reach level 75.

Btw, DrSerpico~ Both SAM and DRG are horribly gimped when it comes to DMG. I can see a SAM outdamaging a DRG and visa-versa. =\

No knowledge of endgame mechanics, was it? Excactly what is the role of a drg in a party? Excuse me, what was that?

Now, that was just retarded

I switched places of those two.
What was retarded? Not accepting empty words and hunger for hard evidence, and at the same time due to the nature of your post give a little kick towards a possible bias?

Your retort makes it seem like you almost KNOW that you're biased. I'm the exact same level as you, Feralis, I don't exactly call what I'm doing "Endgame mechanics". I'd say that until you've attained full af and more than half the genkais and then a few levels with them, you're just "midlvl".

Yeah, you only use 1 or 2 af, usually. Still, obtaining them and getting rank and such: part of the game.

56= rank 5? Thats HALF of the possible rank, suggesting HALFWAY throught the game. Rank 8+ = endgame mechanics.

Conjur up some nice parser files and we'll stop hounding you.
Don't refuse to show proof and just call us "nuuuuublars", "retarded", "lowlvl trollers" and the likes.
(Proof) = Serpicatha (Silenced)
Semi-flame = Serpicatha (I don't feel well)
(See you again)

[Sarah]

Pardon my intrusion on such a heated debate, but would any of you happen to have or know where I can get videos/clips/screenshots of Elvaan and Hume rangers attacking? Are the animations pretty much the same for both genders? You see, I'm going to be getting FFXI soon, and I'm an aspiring ranger, so if the Elvaan animations are a lot better, then that's what I'd be. That wouldn't affect my leveling as a Thief (for farming) too much, would it? Thanks.

[Deodorant]

[semi-unrelated post]

From my experience playing my thf, taru make the worst rangers. Because when they're standing behind the mob, and I'm behind the PLD waiting for piercing > viper or whatever, I can't see a thing they're doing.

[FeralisCallidus]

Woa woa, now rank has what to do with battles?

And last I checked, endgame suggests 50+, when you break your first Genkai. Simply because you consider 60+ genkai does not make it true. You see, the universe does not revolve around you.

How many times have I said specifically that I do not believe Elvaan to be the BEST Ranger? How many?

What I am STATING is that the SMALL decrease in accuracy is trumped by a significant increase in damage. There is really no refute, since there is realistically an accuracy limit [percentage wise], while there is not a corresponding damage limit. The Mithra RNG could hit 95% of the time, sure, let her. I'll take my 90-95% accuracy with the substantially increased damage curve. Thanks. =)

Isn't it funny, AntAnt, how she probably has never seen an Elvaan and Mithra ranger side by side, then compared their damage? Then she says that the Damage increase is just as negligable as the Acc increase! Ha! Hilarious. It's amazing how some people can base their entire argument on such blasphemy. Guess what Serpico? Most Rangers on this board will agree with me. I see a startling pattern forming... Everyone with Experience in the job... say that Race difference really is negligable... while people who have no clue what in god's name they are talking about say otherwise! Amazing!



Jay:

You're babbling and trying to contort my words and implied meaning into something you can trounce. Anyone with half a brain sees that you are the one who really is not making any point in argument, nor any logical sense. Sorry =\

P.S.: Hey, I think Noobasaur was a bit more clever than Dipshit. Oh wait, I guess your puny Galkan mind can't comprehend tact.

And I have that parser, and it is running. If you want proof, find it yourself. It is obvious you will not believe what I put in front of you, no matter how authentic it is. I'm done dealing with your blind ignorance~ believe what you wish. Race. Is. Not. Important. [ outside of mage classes ]. Period.

SUPER DOOPER DAMAGE vs. a Mithra Ranger

Never once said that. See first paragraph in reponse to Jay's idiocy.

Cut. The. Shit. Bards are a luxury, and not always in a party, unless it happens to be static. Red Mages are more likely to be in a party. Nonetheless, absolutely nothing can be contested about a static, direct comparision: Mithra Ranger as is, vs. Elvaan Ranger as is.

Again, we are talking about PT Dynamics. If you were talking about solo, then an Elvaan WHM would far exceed a Taru WHM. But does one? No, it seems not. Debuffs, Enfeebles and Buffs HAVE to be factored into the experiment. Period. Otherwise you lose important factors in deciding if Elvaan is truely gimp compared to Mithra or not in a PT setting. Saying otherwise is just... for the lack of a better word, STUPID.