Would an elvaan make a decent Ranger?

[AntAnt]

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[AntAnt]

As an Elvan Your DMG Curve is MUCH MUCH Higher then everyone else. The other races will have a very hard time boosting their damage curve, because you must Use STR to do it. Attack only boosts your Average dmg within that curve. So knowing this information and knowing that I want to do the MOST damage in this game. I picked to have MAX str. Think about it, ALL of the RNG gear that is worth anything is + Ranged Acc -- The question is: Do you want to do the most damage in your party, or settle for LESS then an Elv??

I will always do MORE dmg then any other race. PERIOD.
And to top it off I have the best GUN and BOW animations in the game!

For the dudes cross dressing playing a female character. I pitty You.

/equip body "Flame Suit +1"

<< FLAME SUIT EQUIPPED >>

LoL MuHAHAHA


/em can be a real jerk sometimes.. >.<


I want to see someone argue against these 2 points:

1) The ELV animations for GUN/BOW are way cooler then any other race.

2) The ELV race will always have a higher DMG curve then any other race Unless you GIMP your accuracy and go +17 STR in gear.

/em is listening...

/em hears crickets chirping cause no one can argue this....

[AntAnt]

Humm... After posting this im wondering how many people im going to pull to the dark side.


Elv PWN's YOU //(o.o//\\(o.o)\\


Your base belong to US.

[Inferno-TRG]

OMG

Originally posted by AntAnt
As an Elvan Your dmg curve is MUCH MUCH higher then everyone else. The other races will have a very hard time boosting their damage curve, because you must Use STR to do it. Attack only boosts your average dmg within that curve. So knowing this information and knowing that I want to do the MOST damage in this game. I picked to have MAX str. Think about it, ALL of the RNG gear that is worth a dime is + Ranged Acc -- The question is: Do you want to do the most damage in your party, or settle for LESS then an Elv??

I will always do MORE dmg then any other race. PERIOD.
And to top it off I have the best GUN and BOW animations in the game!

For the dudes cross dressing playing a female character. I pitty You. Bye Bye Mrs. Mithra

/equip body "Flame Suit +1"

<< FLAME SUIT EQUIPPED >>

LoL MuHAHAHA

/em can be a real jerk sometimes.. >.<

OMG those arrows are going to do SOOOO MUCH damage flying by your enemies head!! OMG!!11 sooo pwn3d!!!11

Bottom line guys/gals, is that you won't hit as often with an elvaan ranger. No matter what, mithra will have more ranged accuracy, which means YES they will hit more. Even if its only 1 hit more a day, its still 1 hit more than you. Doesn't mean elvaans suck at Rangers, but you won't hit as much... you can do more damage, but you won't hit as much... big deal! Stop posting and start playing! :D

[AntAnt]

dam, im at work and cant play! T.T


WHat im saying is. Elv will hit the same as mithra if you buy a peacock charm, and the mithra doesnt.

+5 Ranged ACC is the only difference between Mithra and ELV.

Thats IT in the Accuracy department.

Now for the DMG department!

OWNED!!!!

[lvsocom]

I'm an elvaan rng/war (also have nin) on Fairy right now, and I'm almost lvl50.. Out of all the parties from 40-49 I've been in with a mithran rng, if I was having trouble hitting so were they. Out of 10 shots I'd say I'd miss like 2 or maybe 3, and she (the mithra rng/nin) would only miss like 1-2). Considering a mithra has 11 or so more agi then me right now, I'd say that pretty good. The difference was tho, say at lvl 45 on fly's in CN, I'd hit for 125-135 without zerk where as the mithra would hit for 115-125 without zerk.

It would be awesome if people that HAVENT ACTUALLY PLAYED ELVAAN RANGER would stop stating all their 'arm chair facts'... Most people know the stat diff between races, but what they want to know is it it REALLY effects the job. Mithran vs. Elvaan is a stupid argument imo since I play elvaan and have pt'd with mithran. But galka mag vs taru... Anyways, I have never felt like I gimped a pt becuase I wasn't doing my job as well as a mithra. My next job (after rng 65-70) is drk tho..

[Henry897]

Im a new ranger im a elvaan male i was partin with a mithra and she was missin more than me but I have the best equipment though so its all about you as a player in my opinon!

[Bagheera]

Elv RNG hits for a lot of dmg, but also misses a lot...

to quote a high lvl RNG in my LS, "Hit successfully is more important than hit hard for a RNG".

the fact that most of your dmg output later on will come from Sidewinder, whether or not you can hit the mob with your Sidewinder matters a lot (and given that Sidewinder is a very low accuracy WS, you'll need all the help you can get - and being an Elvaan doesn't help much >.<). It really doesn't matter if your shots hit for 20 more dmg than a Mithra RNG, if her WS hits and yours don't, you still lose.

[doogielu]

all rangers will miss a lot pre level 30. its a given fact. doesnt matter what race you are, your R.acc blows at that level and theres not much you can equip to do about it. just keep on downing those Wild Onions and pray that gob runs into your arrow. Post lvl 30 however (or 28 if you count Arc.knife), is where the good rangers seperate from the lazy poor rangers. there will be many many rings and equipments (+1) that will add to your R.Acc , AGl, and Strenght. they will be pricey, but than again, if you can't afford them, why are you a ranger? Elvaans are good rangers, just gotta compensate the low AGL with items, just as how Mithras must compensate there low STRs. Who started this whole elvaans are bad ranger's thing anyways? anyways, 5 gil says another thread is gonna pop up in a few days with the exact same topic...

[Bagheera]

agreed.

the importance of permanent equipment outweighs the quality of the arrows you use, actually. I am lvl60 and use iron arrow as my primary ammo (and scorpion arrow for sidewinder - for obvious reasons. once I get my rank 7 I won't need Scorpion either). however, my equipments total in at 3000K (not including the AFs - just the side stuff alone). Hawker's Knife, Scorpion Ring +1, Nomad's Mantle +1, Emperor's Hairpin; everything that will help me hit my Sidewinder. Because really, after LvL55, Sidewinder is pretty much all that matters. if you hit that Side, the mob loses 1/3 of its HP, and the fight ends fast.

I feel like challenging the notion that cheap arrow = bad ranger; this is not neccesarily true. if you have the money to mantain a stable supply of expensive arrows, go ahead by all means. but if you can't, the benefit of saving up for high acc equipments outweighs the benefit of trying to supply yourself with expensive arrows.

truth be told (and I tested this myself), on regular attacks you get 5-15 attack bonus from using a Scorpion arrow compared to iron arrow, yet scorpion is 1.5k more expensive. price doesn't justify the dmg in this case; I can easily make up for the dmg I lost per fight using iron arrow by simply firing one additional shot per battle.

Sidewinder does 6-8 times the dmg of a normal attack, so using a good arrow for Side will dramatically improve your WS dmg. Again, since Sidewinder is where most of your dmg will come from, switch to a high dmg, high acc arrow when using sidewinder to make sure that it hits, and hits for a lot (of course, have all the best ranged acc eq on you).

[FeralisCallidus]

the importance of permanent equipment outweighs the quality of the arrows you use, actually. I am lvl60 and use iron arrow as my primary ammo (and scorpion arrow for sidewinder - for obvious reasons. once I get my rank 7 I won't need Scorpion either). however, my equipments total in at 3000K (not including the AFs - just the side stuff alone). Hawker's Knife, Scorpion Ring +1, Nomad's Mantle +1, Emperor's Hairpin; everything that will help me hit my Sidewinder. Because really, after LvL55, Sidewinder is pretty much all that matters. if you hit that Side, the mob loses 1/3 of its HP, and the fight ends fast.

Hawkers Knife: 200k >> Will be replaced by Francisca at level 63

Scorpion Ring +1: 10k

Emperor's Hairpin: 280k >> Will be replaced by AF Hat at 54

Nomad's Mantle +1: 200k >> Will be replaced by Amemit Mantle at 61

How does that total 3million gil, Again?

I feel like challenging the notion that cheap arrow = bad ranger; this is not neccesarily true. if you have the money to mantain a stable supply of expensive arrows, go ahead by all means. but if you can't, the benefit of saving up for high acc equipments outweighs the benefit of trying to supply yourself with expensive arrows.

Yeah, cause we all know the +1 AGI from your HQ Mantle will easily make up for the 20% decrease in damage. :spin:

truth be told (and I tested this myself), on regular attacks you get 5-15 attack bonus from using a Scorpion arrow compared to iron arrow, yet scorpion is 1.5k more expensive. price doesn't justify the dmg in this case; I can easily make up for the dmg I lost per fight using iron arrow by simply firing one additional shot per battle.

~BULL~. Maybe with a Mithra, who has shittastic STR progression and subbing NIN [And if this is the case, you =STILL= need all the damage you can get]. Also, it is likely that this was VS. Bone or SUPERhigh-DEFENSE con enemies. I am a level 56 RNG/WAR and RNG/NIN, and I can personally attest to the fact that Scorpion Arrows do SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than your bastardized Iron Arrows.

Sidewinder does 6-8 times the dmg of a normal attack, so using a good arrow for Side will dramatically improve your WS dmg. Again, since Sidewinder is where most of your dmg will come from, switch to a high dmg, high acc arrow when using sidewinder to make sure that it hits, and hits for a lot (of course, have all the best ranged acc eq on you).

No, sidewinder does exactly 4x Damage. Even in the description, it states it is a "Quadruple damage" weaponskill. And all your damage does not come from Weaponskills. You are not a THIEF. If you have and use the correct arrows, and have a GOOD PLD, you will do a great amount of damage with normal arrows. At my level, with my set PT [ good PLD ], I can chain-fire Scorpion Arrows as an ELVAAN RNG/WAR with 90%+ accuracy [ I have a damage parser ] without pulling aggro for a while. This being said, I fucking DOUBT that a Mithra RNG/NIN with Iron arrows will EVER pull aggro with normal attacks with this same PLD.

[lvsocom]

FeralisCallidus, I'm 50 right now and elvaan.. I'm just wondering what your most common sub is now that you've had sidewinder for a while..? I'm pretty accurate and have pretty much everything I should have (except a +1 nomads ; ;, hawkers knives, and peacock charm) and I play around with my subs (war and nin). For instance, before I leave with a pt to go lvl I see if we have a brd (hunters prelude). If they do I sub war, since with hunters I'm about 90% hits where without I'm down to 70-80%. No bard, I sub nin and get back to around 80-90% again.

Anyways, I guess my question is just how innacurate is sidewinder for a properly equipped elvaan rng/war and rng/nin? And does hunters prelude help very much with /war? I'm trying to decide on wether to stop lvling Nin as my sub for a while (hate that job) and would like to hear your thoughts on it. thanks.

[FeralisCallidus]

If you have a BRD in your PT [as well as a RDM/BLM or BLM/??? that can stick frost and gravity],then... by all means sub WAR. If there is a NIN tank, sub NIN. If you don't feel the tank will be able to hold aggro correctly,sub NIN. All in all, NIN is just a subjob used by people who want to use utsusemi as a failsafe for when they fuck up. The extra archer knife really does pale in comparison to Berserk,Warcry and passive ATK+.

[lvsocom]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus
If you have a BRD in your PT [as well as a RDM/BLM or BLM/??? that can stick frost and gravity],then... by all means sub WAR. If there is a NIN tank, sub NIN. If you don't feel the tank will be able to hold aggro correctly,sub NIN. All in all, NIN is just a subjob used by people who want to use utsusemi as a failsafe for when they fuck up. The extra archer knife really does pale in comparison to Berserk,Warcry and passive ATK+.

Cool, doesn't look like things change too much after getting sidewinder sub wise. How effective is frost and gravity together? I've asked rdm's to use it while pt'ing in CN on soldiers, but they said they had a very hard time getting it to stick.. :confused:

[DrSerpico]

Always the ego issue.

Some people will never stop pointing out the splinters in your neighbours bow when their own has a 2-inch crack.

Elvaan vs. Mithra, the SUPER-hyped debate... I'll end it for ya right away.

Bows:
Elvaan even or slightly better than mithra depending on pt setup.

Guns:
Give kitty a gun... Bye elvaan rng.

And to stop you from shouting:
"Elvaan are the best rangers we are soo good it's unbelievable!
WE ELVAANS PWN !!!111one one one!!1111!!!"

When you did your rng quest... Did you stop to notice whether the "uber-rng, highlord mother of all rngs" was elvaan, taru galka or... I don't really remember... What was that NPC for a race now again. The one who is the ranger "deity"?

It just slips my mind... What again? Hume? No, that's not it...
Hmmm. I'll have to go back to windy and check again.

Elvaan make the best mnks. That's where you shine.
After that, they are really good at most melee jobs.
(Fighter race, hello?) Although in accuracy dependant jobs they are not OUTSTANDING, albeit not outshone by far by any other race. (except for thieves. I think taru's are better thfs than elvaan. /nin, of course.)

Any opinions?