Jump as a ranged attack

[JayblahX]

As a fact JayblahX after the update with the TP change posted on almost every job specific forum, weather it be to get other opinions or not, with messages that were almost taunting or insulting. That is at least how I interpreted his posts (No reason to be posting on DRGs forum saying "Geez you guys gimped BADLY, I'd hate to be in your shoes right now" not exactly how he said it but it's one of the ways I interpreted his message).

Link? Quote?

Personally, I think you just need to improve your reading skills, because I've never come into the DRG forums and flat-out insulted them, nor ever intended too if thats what you misinterpreted it to be. Again, quote me or shut the hell up.

The only thread I made a mistake with was the PLD thread I posted, which again, wasn't an insult to PLD, but rather a genuine question to gather an opinion. You fail to mention that in that same thread, I realized the thread was stupid and apologized for it.

Stop talking out of your ass, is what I'm trying to tell you Macht. And that, Macht, IS an insult.

[Taodyn]

Thank you, Macht. Even if you don't think this idea holds water (which I quite honestly never really thought it would, just kinda made sense to me), at least you offered some perspective on it.

I will admit I'm not particularly familiar with barrage as I do not play RNG and what I posted was based on second hand research. Since I never introduced the ability into the discussion though that is neither here nor there.

The first Jump ability is intended solely to do dmg and the second, High Jump, does dmg and sheds some hate. In this respect, any boost (as long as it does not require a sacrifice of ACC, DEX, or ATT) could prove useful, but this is again situation-dependent as you mentioned.

Quite frankly though, this will be my last post in this thread. What was meant as a simple question to save me some testing has turned out to be far more trouble than any testing could be. I will, however, post my results whether I'm right or wrong.

[Shauk]

uh, you guys are seriously coming down on Taodyn way too hard for a simple question.

Obviously the possibility jarred you powergaming retards out of your seats so hard you had to post while frothing at the mouth about how much you think you know about dragoons.

jesus, its a game, Taodyn doesn't deserve your level of disrespect over a question concerning a game.

Have you ever heard of even trying to be civil?

don't cause unrest and strife, just help your community members, otherwise, the community doesnt want you.

[Macht]

I agree with you on that Shauk, they were being a little harsh and not providing enough debate to the subject. Instead were basically attacking him.

JayblahX,

Though I would of loved to get those quotes to slap them back in your face. In the middle of process I had trouble locating those posts (oddly enough the PLD one was the only I found, even though was iffy was obvious enough not ment to be an insult). So in this case I'll just have accept defeat in your argument against your actions.

Though I still hold strong to the belief that your actions here were not useful in anyway other then to only bash on an idea. Weather it be a false hope or an attempt to find something new, it's the idea, the dream, the desire to be better that pushes the people advance and be better. To try and crush it like that is just flat out wrong.

[K9999]

jump is not a ranged attack because it works with sneak and trick attack where as ranged attacks never do. thead over

[Rico]

Originally posted by Shauk
uh, you guys are seriously coming down on Taodyn way too hard for a simple question.

Agreed, stop with the attacking debate but don't attack at the same time, just a warning.

[Funguwari]

Originally posted by JayblahX


Personally, the only ass I'm seeing in this thread is you.

You want to know why he's "hostile" :spin: towards this idea? Almost every time some person posts on this forum with some "new" theory on how to make a mundane skill become superleet, or a new Job combination that is oh-so-badass, it gets dismissed because people like Weezingpipes know what they are talking about.

Everytime these ideas get called "stupid", the person who initially brought it up always gets upset (kind of like you) and insists his idea is awesome and that we "just don't get it."

Wrong.

I'm not a DRG or anything, just decided to take a stroll on this board and found this thread.

Anyway...

You completely misinterperated what he said, he did not make anything sound, "superleet" or, "awesome", he just said, "DRGs can't use Ranged, but, we got Jump, and POSSIBLY that's effected by Ranged Attack". Also, he'd never said he'd sacrifice DEX and ACC but, if if there was a peice of armor that he would have to buy, but, the +1 has Ranged Accuracy+, maybe he would buy that instead of the original to make his Jumps more effective.

That's all he said, no need to be a less than human germ to him when he provided evidence, and he was nice about it, and he never said anything about "you have to do this"... he was just asking if RNG ACC+ was calculated into the Jump formula.

Then you go morons like the one I'm yelling at right now who dosen't know how to fucking read English and misinterper--wait, to big a word for this moron, he might confuse it w/something--wait, confuse too big a of a word? Will he screw up this too

Ah I quit.

[Epincus]

While it should be granted that I am new to this forum, I can't help but comment on the discussion being presented here.

To be perfectly honest guys, it was a simple question which he asked to begin with, and it could have been answered by saying "No, this is not correct, here is evidence I have to show as to why it is not correct..." rather than flaming someone, arguing that no one wastes their time considering it. If you check the board title, it's called "Race & Job Type Discussions", so I have no reason to see why it cannot be considered and/or discussed.

Furthermore, I have also seen points raised which I would consider nothing short of outright insulting. It cannot be denied that providing the argument of "How many people is it going to take for you to get the idea that no one really thinks your idea is worthwhile. You're idea is stupid." not only does not provide any evidence to support your argument, but also demonstrates a complete lack of respect for any arguments being presented by other people.

To argue that you should automatically accept the perspective of someone else because he is a higher level than you are is a completely invalid argument. To argue that perspective while belittling the person asking the original question is an insulting and fallacious argument at the same time. Had he supplied evidence to demonstrate knowledge, that would be one thing, but there do exist some people who even at high levels demonstrate little knowledge of the game, quite often because they do nothing while in the game but mindlessly drone onward to gain XP. Do I argue anyone here fits that description? Absolutely not, but the existance of such people cannot be denied, and henceforth it cannot be used as a basis for knowledge.

In short: Lay off guys. He asked a harmless question and you jumped all over him for it. It does not speak well of your character for you to discourage someone to be a member of the community for posting a question in a discussion forum.

[Malefas]

First and foremost, Jump and High Jump are ranged attacks in lamens term, since you can do them at a range greater than your melee attack is.

Secondly, the "Enhances Jump" and "Enhances High Jump" effects on the DRG AF1 boots and the DRG AF2 pants (which I have), only add additional damage which seems somewhat sporadic.

To be honest, the only time I've seen a large amount of damage done by either of them (Highest was like 450-475) was when I was farming in Davoi and I jumped on some nub Orc. :sweat:

DRGs should never be pulling imo. On the trek to 60, you'll most likely always be coupled with a THF, and they are much better suited for pulling. Also, when jumping, your camera becomes distorted and sometimes you'll end up bringing some extra friends along for the ride.

Also notice, that when a Jump lands, the game registers your range as "right next to the mob", this means that a mob can hit you although you were only next to them for a brief second.

The range on Jump and High Jump are not that great either. In fact, they will always put you melee range of any mob.

After 60, if you attempt pulling, you'll most likely almost die on the way back unless you have a /THF sub for Flee. We all know, that DRG defence is horrendous, and most mobs have double attack it seems.

All in all, I don't really care that I can't pull. It allows me to sit back and not have to tell the PT: "Oh shit, add" and just be the one person shaking my head when 3-4 more mobs come unexpected.

Overall, Jump and High Jump are range, but put you into melee range, so you WILL be hit. Hehe.

Also, AGI or DEX doesn't seem to affect Jump or High Jump's damage as far as I can tell. Jump damage seems to be lagely random (assuming you hit with it, hehe) and only does roughly your damage from your melee attacks, or sometimes for that odd 200+ damage. Of course, we can expect them to miss much more than we can to see them do critical damage.

Furthermore... did anyone notice that Drake Ring + DRG AF1 boots "Enhances Jump" effects don't stack? :confused:

[Weezingpipes]

Could you by the way name these many other actions that you can do without being engaged with an enemy. I mean you obviously can't mean spells, as we already understand they are affected by MND and INT, and as jump is not a magic ability, must be affected by either DEX or AGI. Can you name one melee ability that can be used without being engaged?

Thats an example of what annoyed me. Your tone. Ya wanna talk arrogance, look in the mirror. The fact is after reading months of people asking the same stupid questions (yes, they are in fact stupid questions), another stupid question gets old. So I refuted your statement. You continue, and so on. You absolutely had to have someone agree with you to the point of arguing for absolutely no reason. That is annoying.

I wanna know, why would it matter if ranged atk and acc bonuses helped jump? Does that solve our utterly awful itemization? Will that improve weapon skill damage? Make the job any better at higher levels? No, no, and no. Want to know why DRG can't use even any throwing weapons? Because the whole job was made with lack of foresight to an incredibly pathetic degree. They probably just forgot to give DRG any throwing skill. Same reasons why they give DRG shit ass itemization, and why they are the most heavily penalized melee job in weapon skill ranking, lack of foresight.

Retarded (yes, your suggestion was retarded) suggestions don't help anything. Even posting on these forums doesn't help on that note. Just use a little common sense, this game isn't hard to figure out. Next time you have a stupid idea and feel the need to share it with the world, don't. You don't have the secret ideas no one has thought of yet, you're just as unoriginal as the rest of us.

[hirbow]

Leaping (jumping) boots has +agi
Winged Boots:has +agi
AF boots : has +agi


Even with 2 snipers rings there is no difference on hit rate on jump's.

i'm very certain that [Jump] is considered a "Ranged" attack.

[Shauk]

well weezingpipes, I see that you didn't garner any widsom from my post, nor that of Epincus, or the many other people who gave you simple guidelines for posting.

Seriously, I may not be admin, or even moderator on these boards, but you wouldn't last more than 5 posts on my sites with your attitude.

Me and my staff would have shown you the door long ago. Although, apparently you are a bit of a troublemaker, I see you already have 8 warning points. Are you trying to start a collection? Here, I'll help

[smash329]

Shauk and Macht, Weezing has already proved his knowledge of the drg class as well as having a high level drg himself, now why should I take your opinions over his when he clearly has more experience then both of you put together? I myself have a high level drg and I have to say that Weezing is usually 100% right on the money on most of his posts. Some people just have different ways of dealing with retardation (yes, this question was utterly retarded), I mean who cares if Jump is a ranged attack? I'd like to see anyone pull with Jump post 60, because 90% of the time they'll be dead about halfway back to their camp. I got an idea, lets all load up on ranged acc stuff and go l33t r0x0r all the mobs in dynamis, that should be fun.

[Shauk]

Are you trying to justify his being outright rude to people? Just stop. Seriously. He asked a QUESTION, what he came back with was an answer, but he laced it with so many insults it was too hard to see where his head ended and his buttcheeks began.
Drop your ego and use your experience to teach, not belittle.
Besides, being lvl 75 in a video game does not make you "experienced" in class analysis, It just means you gained exp by grinding like everyone else. Analysis requires actual hypothesis, testing, and the data to back that up.

Is it wrong to wonder why Drg get +acc gear? no. Is it wrong to speculate on this? no. His attitude, your attitude, are not warranted. Just answer the question with your own data, stop being a flaming piece of arrogance about it though.

[smash329]

/shrug, his response can be interpreted many ways, I personally didn't find it rude or insulting whatsoever. All I saw was the poster ask a question, have it answered in a way he didn't like then get very defensive about it. I don't see what the big deal is, nothing at this stage of the game is going to be "discovered" everything has already been figured out. And yes, I do have a big ego and honestly, who are you to say where my "attitude" is warranted and where it isn't warranted, this is a public forum last time I checked.