Drg/drk *at Level 60+*

[Crisis]

it does not overwrite your current Attack bonus just adds 5% extra Attack over the 10% you have currently

Do you have proof of this?

Last Resort, just not as good as berserk

If you read my posts even with a Drg/War using Berserk you out damage them by at least 20 on normal hits without having to use Last Resort, so yes, Last Resort is not as good as berserk, but berserk doesn't make a difference with Drk subbed.

drg use souleater & last resort and fire penta... penta does some ok DMG but you lose like most your life and then jump away all your hate... then the whm have to spend a lot of mp to heal you and get agro since all that agro you got with penta is gone now, to sum up you hurt your party more than you give (unless the mob will die in that WS or right after)

Again, do you have proof of this, as in your a 60/30 Drg/Drk, or are you just saying what you assume? There's a lot more then just using SE and shooting off Penta at any given moment, a smart player would look for the right time to use this kind of move as to minumize whatever the negative effects might be. So again, if you have no first hand proof, this comment is based on speculation.

enfeblement/absorb spells will miss XP class mobs 95% of the time and stunn is lvl 74/37

As i've mentioned, you won't really be using the spells as a offence since your MP is crap... did you even bother to read anything in this thread? You are just stating what has been said countless times with no physical evidence. So untill a 60/30 Drg/Drk comes here and posts their findings (or untill I hit 60) the SE/Penta theories are void. As for everything else, I think I pointed the info out in a way that most people who read the thread can understand.

[GSDragoon]

Do you have proof of this?

Duplicate Job Traits to not stack.

[Zihn]

Crisis: this is based on seeing how a 60DRK/30THF killed himself with "sneak/trick/soul/last" and that 4 hit guilatine (spelling is wrong i think). went from 1000 some hp to 3 and then he got hit and died, then later he tried again with the same result

i'm lvl 70/35 DRG/SAM btw

[edit]
once you get 60/30 pls post your soul/penta experiences... i wanted to try it myself some time back, but the higher lvl's in my ls talked me out of it

[Crisis]

Duplicate Job Traits to not stack

Yes so the first ones wont stack, i'm talking about the second attack ability at Drk 30. I've been told that one does stack.

this is based on seeing how a 60DRK/30THF killed himself with "sneak/trick/soul/last" and that 4 hit guilatine (spelling is wrong i think). went from 1000 some hp to 3 and then he got hit and died, then later he tried again with the same result

But it's not based on a Drg/Drk. Drk with SE, LR, Guilo., SA is of course gonna kill himself. There's a difference in damage from a 60 Drg and a 60 Drk using SE and stuff. Souleater on a Drk takes off more life then it would subbed on a drg first off. Secondly Drk do more damage then Drg at higher levels. So this would still not be a viable basis for the Drg/Drk SE/penta.

[Zihn]

:confused: [edit] :confused:

removed the post since i made an error when dooing the calculations (forgot to add in STR) so the % based fit... will redo this post at some later time when i had more time to test

[Crisis]

See... proof, thats what I was looking for. Thanks for the info Zihn.

[Malefas]

Are you sure that the attack bonuses are percentage based and are not just a fixed number (base)?

Especially if you compare the 10% accuracy bonus compared to +10 accuracy for Dragoons at level 30. Even though accuracy is a hidden variable, we're talking even the smallest +accuracy items making a substantial difference in your overall accuracy.

For all we know, the hidden variable for accuracy could be as large as a number as attack power is. If that is so, the accuracy bonus that DRGs get would be alot more valuable than what it appears to be.

And lets face it, if +30 accuracy in equipment doesn't increase your accuracy from hitting 45% of the time to 95% of the time, that base number is gonna be quite large. And if thats the case, the more of those +accuracy items you have equipped, the higher benefit you would recieve from the Accuracy Bonus you recieved at level 30.

I'm fairly certain that the accuracy bonus doesn't not equate to +10% accuracy, for even a DRG sub for DRK would be viable just for that hit percentage! Which we all know, isn't the case.

I'm betting its either A) Just an addition of a base number such as +10 accuracy of some sorts, or B) The formula is alot more complex than +10% accuracy.

[Weezingpipes]

The DRG accuracy bonus seems to be about the equivalent of a +10 accuracy item from what I've seen. Maybe not even that, the more I think about it 5 sounds more reasonable. It used to be pretty noticeable from level 30+ compared to other melee, less so now as accuracy items are more plentiful and other jobs can get more accuracy compared to your innate trait.

Pretty sure ATK bonuses are not % based...65 DRK only has 30 more ATK than me (318 base at the moment I think..). If it was 30% they would have about 90 more ATK than me. Also given that when I switch from WAR to THF sub I lose exactly 10 DEF from the def bonus trait, that trait isn't a % gain either, as I would lose 20 or so if it was 10%..basically the assumption is those traits simply add 10 to the relevant value they boost.

I really don't much like DRK sub to a DRG over 60. Other subs are simply more useful for a myriad of reasons, subbing a job literally for 1 innate ATK boost and 1 good 5 min reuse ability doesn't really appeal to me compared to WAR with sooooo many more useful abilities. Even THF and Samurai are comparatively more useful subs than DRK. Warrior alone probably does more damage due to double attack frequency which is fairly high than the ATK difference makes, and Berserks better duration than Last Resort makes it overall more valuable.

[GSDragoon]

It's +10 attack, not 10%. Just change around between different sub jobs. Like the WAR's def bonus, it's 10 def, not 10%. I thought the +10 attack on my THF with DRG sub was cool, but berserk's +25% is much better.

[Akimatu]

Originally posted by Tokitoki
how much of that hate can you actually shed with Super Jump :sweat:

All hate is going to be shed.

[Zihn]

hehe did some testing of myself after i read your post GSDragoon

aparently your total attack is calculated like this

Start Attack Bonus + Weapon Skill lvl + Attack bonus + ½STR + gear = Total Attack

With polearm = 8 + 250 + 10 + 32 + 59 = 359
With no gear (hand-to-hand) = 8 + 0 + 10 + 31 + 0 = 49

the numbers fit to my ingame stats for any weapon i use so i guess i have to say it's +10 attack and not % based

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

The bonus is obtained in Lv10 physical attack power rise physical attack power. (Attack +10)
The bonus is obtained in Lv30 physical attack power rise physical attack power. (Furthermore attack +10)
The bonus is obtained in Lv50 physical attack power rise physical attack power. (Furthermore and attack +10)
The bonus is obtained in Lv70 physical attack power rise physical attack power. (Furthermore and attack +10)

lv 70 drk +40 atk lv 70 drg +0 atk

poor drg

[Zihn]

l)@RK-l)EVIL DRG get attack bonus1 at lvl 10...

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Zihn
l)@RK-l)EVIL DRG get attack bonus1 at lvl 10...

so its lv 70 drk +40 atk lv 70 drg +10 atk

or they get more +atk lv 70?

[Zihn]

DRG gets
Attack Bonus1 Lv.10
Accuracy Bonus1 Lv.30

DRK gets
Attack Bonus1 Lv.10
Attack Bonus2 Lv.30
Attack Bonus3 Lv.50

and thats it... dont have DRK 70+ myself but all the sites say they only get 3 attack bonuses