What's the best relic weapon?

[Liquidedust]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

The Spharai do indeed out parse the Destroyers by a small margin, due to the occational Triple damage hits (~5% can proc on both normal and Crit). And Final Heaven, while not as strong as AF, isnt too bad, breaking 1k-1200 pretty easy in Merit PTs. Final Heaven can double attack, AF cannot.

I know that the maximum of hits you can perform in a weaponskill is 8, but wouldn't this actually imply a possible miss in Asuran Fists CAN double attack and still make it 8 hits.

Still if we assume 90% accuracy on Asuran Fist the chances of missing one hit is roughly 43.05%.
Now Asuran Fists are 8 hits and the chances of double attack to process on one of these hits are 56.95% if we assume 10% proc rate on Double Attack.

So even if you missed one hit on Asuran Fists you would basically never notice it due to the 24.51% chance of a double attack processing on at least one of the hits in the weaponskill. This only holds true if you can double attack on Asuran Fists if you miss one of the hits in the weaponskill. But 1 in 4 of your Asurans that has a missed hit would become an 8-hitter anyhow.

If double attacked did proc you would not notice it since it would appear that all eight hits just landed. And would make Asuran Fist seem more accurate then it actually is.


Got my whole math backwards so redid the entire post (twice oh dear)

[Gobo]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

I personally don't even really see how some of these weapons are better than...say Destroyers, seeing as I'm MNK 75...I mean yes, attack+20 is awesome of course...and Counter, is great too, but Final Heaven <<< Asuran Fists(apparently, and I'm assuming 8 hits >>> damage potential). I mean +6% Crit is enough alone for me to not worry about Attack+20...you can get that from gloves and earrings and many other things...although some weapons it may be the best for the job...for some, at least in my opinion aren't near as good as some of their counterparts.

The Spharai do indeed out parse the Destroyers by a small margin, due to the occational Triple damage hits (~5% can proc on both normal and Crit). And Final Heaven, while not as strong as AF, isnt too bad, breaking 1k-1200 pretty easy in Merit PTs. Final Heaven can double attack, AF cannot.

[KoukiRyu]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

I personally don't even really see how some of these weapons are better than...say Destroyers, seeing as I'm MNK 75...I mean yes, attack+20 is awesome of course...and Counter, is great too, but Final Heaven <<< Asuran Fists(apparently, and I'm assuming 8 hits >>> damage potential). I mean +6% Crit is enough alone for me to not worry about Attack+20...you can get that from gloves and earrings and many other things...although some weapons it may be the best for the job...for some, at least in my opinion aren't near as good as some of their counterparts.

[Raydeus]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

It is true though, not considering the jobs I leveled or plan to I gotta say Relic Horn and Shield are the best considering benefit vs cost.

All the rest are really nice toys but are way too far from being that effective considering the cost and time (specially time) required to get them.

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Now, it would be really nice of SE to give players with 3-4 years (maybe 5?) in the game the choice of getting a fully upgraded relic weapon as a gift for sticking with the game for so long, and then one each year after that (1 weapon per account, not per character).

This would only consider the amount of months paid, say 1st relic at 36-60 months, then the next every +12 months paid.

It's not like it could be exploited but it would give people a great incentive to keep their accounts active which is what matters most for SE in the end.

Edit > It would also give players using 3rd party tools something to hold back on it, it would suck being close to getting a Relic only to have your account Banned for fleeing hacks and stuff.

[JP_Ikari]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

WTH, how's the Spear, GK and Sword better than Aegis >.>. Only Aegis and Gjallahorn is what matters...the rest, they're just toys for millionaires, kinda like F-1 cars....

JP

[Loial]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

I'd go with the relic horn. I've seen this thing in action and it greatly changes the dynamics of fighting end-game mobs. You can do a lot more with less people with a horn than with any other relic, including Aegis. Aegis would probably be a very close second.

[Jugil]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Dependent upon how often the effect kicks in, Ragnarok and Mjollnir look pretty sweet . Is the recover MP effect on the Mjollnir basically an Aspir effect with a chance per hit?

As for "non-weapons", I may be partial as a 75 BRD, the Gjallarhorn is so pimptastic.

So, out of all of those, I'll take the horn. With regards to "true" weapons, I'd take the Mjollnir.

[Davitron3000]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Of course I picked Aegis as a Paladin. Aegis should be every Paladin's dream item

[Kirsteena]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

I'd cast my vote to Mandau, since its a 39 damage dagger with 176 delay. THF/WAR with Homam Body, Brutal Earring and full triple attack merits is a near non stop hitting machine with really good damage. (And SATA Mercy Stroke isnt too shabby either :p)

Agreed - Mandau is so good it's broken...

Upgrade the horn/shield, and you will never be allowed to leave your linkshell. Period.

[Gobo]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

To be fair, I'm going to add known info about the WS addtional effects:

Spharai: "Final Heaven": Temporarily Enhances Subtle Blow (+10 SB, short duration)
Excalibur: "Kinghts of Round": Add Regen Effect (strong regen, short duration, rumored to have rare invinicible effect)
Mandau: "Mercy Stroke": Increases Crit Hit rate (very short duration, despite animation it is really a 1-hit attack)
Ragnarok: "Scourge": Increases Crit Hit rate (short duration)
Guttler: "Onslaught": Decreases Targets Acc, Temporarily raises users Attack (Attack increase is 10% and short duration; despite animation its really 1-hit)
Bravura: "Metatron Torment": Lowers Targets DEF, Temporarily lowers damage taken (Def down is ~12.5%, damage reduction isn't exteremly high)
Apocalypse: "Catastrophe": Drains targets HP, addional effect Haste (drains about 1/2-1/3 of Catastrophe damage, Haste is short duration)
Gungnir: "Geirskogul": Addtional effect Shock Spike (30-50 damage spikes, short duration)
Kokiku: "Blade: Metsu": Enhances Subtle Blow (same effect has Final Heaven? despite animation is really a 1-hit WS)
Amanomurakumo: "Tachi: Kaiten": Temporarily increases TP stored with each hit (+7 TP, 30 sec @100 TP, 40sec@200TP, 60sec@300TP)
Mjollnir: "Randgrith": Delivers a "Shield Break" Attack. Temporarily Improves Acc (Evasion down -40? seems high)
Claustrum: "Gate of Tartarus": Lowers targets attack, Addtional effect Refresh (refresh effect is 8mp/tick, 30 sec@100TP, 40sec@200TP, 60sec@300TP. Note: Spirit Taker will still recover more MP @100TP than GoT@300TP on most mobs SMN or BLM would melee)
Annihilator: "Coronach": Temporarily lowers Enmity (very insignificant emnity down)
Yoichinoyumi: "Namas Arrow": Temporarily improves R Acc (very noticable effect)
Gjallarhorn=All songs+2 (this means 3MP/tick Ballad and 4mp/tick Ballad II etc)
Aegis=Enhances "Shield Bash" effect (+200 damage to shield bash, blocks like a buckler, reduces damage like a tower shield)

Also: All 2 handed weapons have +20 acc (so they dont miss with their high delay) and all 1 handed wepaons have +20 attack (to compensate for their lower damage rating). All WS bypass Shadows as well.

I'd cast my vote to Mandau, since its a 39 damage dagger with 176 delay. THF/WAR with Homam Body, Brutal Earring and full triple attack merits is a near non stop hitting machine with really good damage. (And SATA Mercy Stroke isnt too shabby either :p)

[Icemage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

In terms of overall power:

Gjallarhorn > Aegis > everything else.

While the other weapons are fun and powerful, the above two offer a quantum leap of power to BRD and PLD respectively, something none of the other items offer.


Icemage

[Taskmage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

For Excalibur "The Additional Effect deals damage equal to 25% of the wielder's HP. This is affected by modifiers which increase and decrease damage." All the relic WS give some additional effect, but not all of them are cool. The spear one gives shock spikes.

techically aegis and gjallarhorn are not weapons thus shouldn't really be in this poll? relic shield and relic instrument =/= relic wepaon unless you smack people with a harp

"Relic items upgraded through dynamis currency" was more than I wanted to type. I think everyone knew what I meant, and they're all listed on ffxiclopedia and mysterytour as relic weapons.

[Caspian]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

techically aegis and gjallarhorn are not weapons thus shouldn't really be in this poll? relic shield and relic instrument =/= relic wepaon unless you smack people with a harp

If worse comes to worse.

Yochinoyumi, I'm a RNG and love archery nuff said. Actually, no, not enough said. Namas Arrow gives a couple minutes of highly increased ranged accuracy. So you can shoot Namas, follow it up with Barrage and get a virtually guaranteed 7 shot barrage, followed up with a guaranteed Sidewinder. Plus no missing for the next couple minutes.
Do any of the other relic WS's give other hidden effects?

Btw, how does the damage thing work on Excalibur exactly? Like examples of typical damage with it.

[Anaki]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

techically aegis and gjallarhorn are not weapons thus shouldn't really be in this poll? relic shield and relic instrument =/= relic wepaon unless you smack people with a harp

[Cometgreen]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Aegis and Gjallarhorn are undoubtedly the most valuable pieces, but I'd still go for the bow (or the gun, for being so damn sexy). Next up would be all the ones with Norse names, because those always sound the coolest.