macro mastery

[Kailea]

Re: macro mastery

I am sorry but I dont call this macro mastery..... each person has there own way they do macros, and I place phrases in my macros for RP reasons.......because ...OMG....yes I RP in an MMORPG

[aegina]

Re: macro mastery

I am sorry but I dont call this macro mastery..... each person has there own way they do macros, and I place phrases in my macros for RP reasons.......because ...OMG....yes I RP in an MMORPG

i'm just trying to make another guide to help more players get the hang of mastering macros. hence the name "Macro mastery"

even the stuff ive put in here is not everything you can do with macros

there is no "right" way to make your macros, but there are some wrong ways. i'm just trying to get more information out to more players, that's all. i hope i can get ths thing finished, and stickied somewhere^^

[Aeni]

Re: macro mastery

Well I disagree. In lower lvls, you should post some things to pt. I can't count how many time idiots would start a pissing match over whether a cure was cast or not or a provoke was used. So a simple "If you scroll up you can see I was curing/provoking right along." ends any disput.

It only works if the macro worked as it should. I don't rely on macro messages and instead look for system messages. When you're at lower levels, most people don't have anything filtered ... it's at higher levels when you have disputes between melees and mages because each has something filtered and not show the full picture of what happened during the fight.

I am sorry but I dont call this macro mastery..... each person has there own way they do macros, and I place phrases in my macros for RP reasons.......because ...OMG....yes I RP in an MMORPG

It's macro mastery in the sense that it explains various commands and shows in what instances you can make use of. The normal beginning player can't even make macros (How many parties have I been in where no melee had a TP macro call?) and most players that I know of can't go beyond the basic skills. So aegina's tutorial is quite invaluable ...

Also, there is a fine line between common sense and RP. I tend to believe traditional RP only works with like minded individuals, because the original basis of RP was a paper and die setup with close friends in someone's house. That definition changed when companies made D&D games for the PC and similar offerings on the Atari 2600 and other consoles, as the game became much more of a soloing experience. This has not changed since, although there are now online RPGs and in particular, MMORPGs. While the basic formula for making an RPG has not changed, the social dynamics involving the game has.

Because of this and the fact that many players are new to RPGs in general, certain functions of the game, like macros, must be carefully used to accomodate other players out of consideration. It is considerate and responsible behavior born of common sense which makes the game enjoyable by all and should not be replaced with senseless individuals annoying and irritating the hell out of others using "RP" as a copout excuse to explain themselves.

[aegina]

Re: macro mastery

sometimes you might want /p in your provoke macros... in DUNES.

once you reach the crawlers nest, you should take all the nonessential party chat out of your macros, if not before.

edit: and as for black mages and their big nukes, can't you see the big red voke ball go off?

[Aeni]

Re: macro mastery

sometimes you might want /p in your provoke macros... in DUNES.

once you reach the crawlers nest, you should take all the party chat out of your macros, if not before.

I think it's common sense to know when and where to use /p in your macros. I don't like it when players use /say and /shout to "enhance" their macros either. It irritates the hell out of me when a level 55 WHM out on raise duty macros /sh Aegina, the gods have granted you another chance at redemption! or other such trivialties that bear no good for anyone ...

[bikkebakke]

Re: macro mastery

I use <bt> in all my attack macros... and I use a controller. It keeps me from mis-casting.

[Aeni]

Re: macro mastery

I use <bt> in all my attack macros... and I use a controller. It keeps me from mis-casting.

I usually instruct mages to take out <bt> out of their macros in places like Bibiki Bay, when you're guaranteed that every 3 to 5 fights you'll pull a link or add ... because the first cast that's usually made is Dia II/Bio II and you can't sleep or resleep mobs in that condition ...

[tdh]

Re: macro mastery

I usually instruct mages to take out <bt> out of their macros in places like Bibiki Bay, when you're guaranteed that every 3 to 5 fights you'll pull a link or add ... because the first cast that's usually made is Dia II/Bio II and you can't sleep or resleep mobs in that condition ...

Yeah, this has caused me problems in the past, so I completely removed all <bt> references I had.

I don't so much mind /party lines in macros, as long as they K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stuipid.) I've fired off my WS in the past because they have HP, MP, and TP listed in their Macro. Crap flying by in the log so fast I mistook 100%HP for 100%TP and fire away.

I don't bother with putting /party lines in my Enfeebling macros. I used to have a Magic Burst line in my MB macro, but I got rid of that. Most of my Macros don't say anything at all, but I will confess to having one "vanity" macro. A silly, useless line in my Sneak Attack macro. But that's it.

/party Provoke: <t> [<tp> TP]
/party Cure (I-IV): <t> [<mpp>]
/party Haste: <t> [<mpp>]
/party Refresh: <t> [<mpp>]

But for Haste and Refresh, that's completely for me. So if I suddenly forget who I just Refresh'd/Hasted I can easily check who it was.

I noticed a lot of /recast lines in those macros. And I think those are a good thing, but the problem is if you use so many different macros a /wait ; /echo <spell> Ready! won't even get printed. (I would actually like to see this fixed. Where a macro RIGHT after won't wipe out the last few lines of a previous macro.) So I just have a Recast Macro:

/recast Refresh
/recast Haste
/recast Convert
/recast Gravity

I'm pretty sure I have one of those for each of my jobs. Souleater and Drain/Aspir for DRK, Sneak Attack for THF, and so on.

[JeanRC]

Re: macro mastery

I usually instruct mages to take out <bt> out of their macros in places like Bibiki Bay, when you're guaranteed that every 3 to 5 fights you'll pull a link or add ... because the first cast that's usually made is Dia II/Bio II and you can't sleep or resleep mobs in that condition ...

now u dont have to be afraid anymore if u get a summoner lol
nightmare will put it to sleep ;p at least i think so since poison wount wake it up too

[Jei]

Re: macro mastery

the problem with keyboard is when you're in alliance. As soon as I hit 50 on my very first char and started to join alliance for AF and G2 I got hit with this limit right away. I can't cure people in the other PT at all and was so curious how the WHM in other PT can cure so accurately and quick.

then I tried typing in /ma cure "name" and it works... but it was really tiring.... not something I'd want to do everyday.

I then started using controller after level 57 or so and it helps a ton. I heard you can use <a#> for alliance members but I can't imagine it being as easy as controller's up and down direction key, which pretty much move your target up and down along the PT/alliance name list. VERY convenience and easy.

[Lunaryn]

Re: macro mastery

Yeah, I have a Dualshock 2 on my parallel port. Really ought to be able to map something on the keyboard to the dpad functions. Thought I'd heard something about shift-arrow, but that doesn't work.

[Taskmage]

Re: macro mastery

the problem with keyboard is when you're in alliance. As soon as I hit 50 on my very first char and started to join alliance for AF and G2 I got hit with this limit right away. I can't cure people in the other PT at all and was so curious how the WHM in other PT can cure so accurately and quick.

then I tried typing in /ma cure "name" and it works... but it was really tiring.... not something I'd want to do everyday.

I then started using controller after level 57 or so and it helps a ton. I heard you can use <a#> for alliance members but I can't imagine it being as easy as controller's up and down direction key, which pretty much move your target up and down along the PT/alliance name list. VERY convenience and easy.

Yeah, that method breaks down in an alliance on a keyboard, but it does work great in a party.

/party Haste: <t> [<mpp>]
/party Refresh: <t> [<mpp>]

But for Haste and Refresh, that's completely for me. So if I suddenly forget who I just Refresh'd/Hasted I can easily check who it was.

Why not use /echo for those lines, then, since they're only important for your own use?

[Enialas]

Re: macro mastery

I like <st> for Cures because I can easily hit F1-6 to select a party member and with Cures hurting undead, is the reason i haven't changed it to <stpc> like i do have for spells like protect, shell and haste.

i was in Crawlers Nest and had {Convert} before anyone told me about <lastst>, this was the party i was able to read my {Refresh} scroll i carried or had in my safe for 20 levels and back then my macros were a little bit more verbose, and there was a lot of:

/p {Casting Spell} {Regen} on Worker Crawler!
/p {Casting Spell} {Cure III} on Worker Crawler!

even though those spells never landed on the <bt>, with others having to read that for 30 levels, you would think somone would have told me earlier. like back then the only way people would advise me to make gil was to find the Valkurm Emporer or Jagged Eared Jack.

but a pld's voke and flash /p sayings, a lot of them are funny and it does let you know they are spamming thier provoke and flash macros.

with all the stuff a rdm has to sort thru in thier chat log, i could use not having 7 lines of party spam rolling "<target>'s paralyze effect wears off" off the screen, because when ever i have to open my window big and scroll up to see if i missed anything, is usually when somone needs a cure, refresh or i need to cast dispel and i can't activate macros with chat logs open.

or the leader stealthly giving me leader and me getting tells from others to find a replacement for them. search + refresh x 4-6 + enfeble + dispel + haste =

thank goodness there was a whm in that party otherwise i would have been main heal too!

[x1ang]

Re: macro mastery

i use /p a lot as a BRD for obvious reasons (but i admit sometimes i accidently end up spamming chat when the song hasn't cooled down and im spamming the macro x]).

generally at lower levels i tell mages to use <bt> to prevent accidents from happening, but later on where the need to sleep adds become more often i try to get them to use <stnpc>.

as a whm i find cure <p0>, etc. easier to use, but i ended up using <stpc> due to macro spaces (my F1-12 buttons suck, logitech media keyboard -_-... little round buttons that rise like 1cm from the base of the keyboard x]). plus /p as a WHM sometimes help stop overcuring when theres 2+ healers... i don't use them (/echo! :D) but i don't mind it when other people do.

[StealthSoul]

Re: macro mastery

Pretty good stuff so far :D Could you please help with SMN macros? I can't figure them out.