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[Lavian]

Maybe Sheila was right... I should start using smaller words, I tend to forget not everone in the world are college english majors who's job is currently to sit arround the internet and read articals posted by other writers... *shrugs* Sorry?

Anyways, I do not 'oppose' this LS, I 'oppose' the way they decided to start the thread and that they basicly said in order for it to succed it needs a 'figure head' to do so. Also I was offended by the 'cracker' remark >.< even thou it was not dirrected at anyone in perticular, it was in the wrong tone for this forum.

[Midnight]

Lavian - Yeh, which was why I put "not entirely" in parenthesis. Easier than typing the whole spiel out.

[DJplaeskool]

For the love of all that is holy...
PEOPLE, JUST DROP IT!!!!

If they want to start another LS...
LET THEM.

If it turns out bad...
OH WELL...

If it turns out great...
THAT'S PEACHY...

We learn from our mistake so we don't repeat history...
if another LS is created in NGs stead, I feel things will turn out better a second time around...and even if they don't, don't let a few nay-sayers/non-well-wishers detract you from your goal...
just go with it.

[Seymour]

Obviously this has turned into another debate again and people are manipulating on what I am saying and I don?ft appreciate that. We all know this topic is just going to get closed anyway so I feel like defending myself a little bit. First of all, Sheila you are officially a loser if you call me a spoiled brat or a wealthy white boy or an anti-social person. You have no right to say anything like that who you?fve only TYPED to for a week, never seen what they look like, never seen what they sound like, never seen them in real life. What if im black? What if im some rich white cracker? What if im just a minority? What if I can?ft speak good English? What if im anti social? What if im one of the most popular people in my school? That doesn?ft matter.YOU DON?fT KNOW ANYTHING. You got no right going around saying ?gseymoue is just a white cracker and he is just anti-scoial?h grow up Sheila. The day we meet in real life and get to know each other is the day you have the authority to make a comment about me. All you really know about me is the text I type and im sorry but that isn?ft enough proof to class me as a spoiled white kid and someone who is anti social. Maybe you could classify someone as friendly or mean but don?ft start busting out physical characteristic you have no clue about. Sure, you can think what ever you want in your little hatred mind but you have no right going around saying stuff like this:

-wealthy = I'm sure his parents are involved in importing FFXI and taking care of paying monthly
-spoilt = now that he doesn't get what he wants when he wants, he will expect someone else to fix it
-always depressed = "this game sucks, I'm lonely"
-attention craving = "I'm thinking of quitting, gonna start a thread, everyone better tell me to stay or else they're not my friend~"
-anti-social = well, Seymoure admitted to this
-drama queen = "EVERYONE HATES ME!" How many people told Seymoure they don't hate him? Yet he insists

Please make one of your quotes to where I openly admitted to being Anti-Social. In the last time I checked I just said that I just moved here and I have met a lot of new friends and people are always coming over to my house everyday. I don?ft see how that is an anti social person. Don?ft believe me? Ask Ceis. Because the same people who come over to my house come over to his everyday as well!

Xuande, lol man. I know you too well to even want to get on your bad side so ill just say this from friend to friend as much as possible. I would normally just /t you this but im trying to make a point here that im not forcing Ping to do anything. I didn?ft say anything like ?gPing, you have to be this LS leader, don?ft let your import community down. We haven?ft seen you forever, why don?ft do something for once??h I never said that man but you are making it sound like I did I just ?gsuggested?h that Ping would be the ?gbest?h person to create the LS not the ?gonly?h and I just wanted to clear that up. I remember youu telling me how good not getting involved in importer politics has helped you out a bunch. I really respect that and I find that working but I don?ft want you to argue with people on here like you are now. (EDIT: That sounded like a demand but it really wasnt. I just don't want to see you getting in fights with fellow importers just because of a stupid statement I made) My rep is already dead as it is and I want you to enjoy the time you?fre still having. I?fll see you in the game dude~

As for Sheila, you have got to be the worst moderator I have ever met in my whole entire life. No, it?fs not cause we hold a grudge against each other, ive been at this forum for almost 12 months now. I have viewed your behavior and how you treat others. I myself have been going to fourms ever since FF7 hit the states. I find a forum as a great place for information, knowledge, and a community that shares your common ideas. I use to moderate at a FFX forum called ffxposed. That fourm has about 2x as many members (around 10,000) as this forum did and we both know how insane it can get! But the fact is, I know how to moderate and handle out of the line situations but the way you handle situations is totally disrespectful to yourself and how you reflect your community. Out of the 6? Or so forums I have been/use to be going to for the past 6 or so years now, I have learned this. There is always a joker(s), flamer(s), moderator(s), strong moderator(s), the common folk(s), and friendly people(s), the looker(s), and idiot(s). I have noticed you are a strong moderator who puts things right and tell how it is.

But the truth through my observations ever since I came here is you are just one of the ?gflamers?h who go around and disrespect people because they don?ft share your common idea. Flamer?fs shouldn?ft be moderators. That?fs why this dude (he was a flamer) on ffxposed had about 3x as many posts (like 8,000+ O_o) as anyone else did. He was an original and has been on for years. You think with all his activity and wellness with the site and the game he would be a moderator right? No. People don?ft want to be moderated by people who disrespect others. Moderators show respect to people (unless it?fs totally out of like ?gEVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE CAN SUCK MY C***.?h ) You just show anger and hatred. Yeah I know, there isn?ft a rule anywhere saying ?gmoderators have to be respectful towards members?h but it?fs just one of those REALLY basic rules that ALL forums pretty much follow. It?fs like in the market, the customer is always right. If you don?ft agree, don?ft put them down. Just like we all learned in elementary school the master golden rule of all time ?gtreat others how you would like to be treated?h I don?ft even see how people respect you with the way you act. Look how most people like Starving Artists posts. She is respectful, gets to the point, shows why the topic should get closed, and closes it. She doesn?ft get into all these stupid arguments like you do.

MANY other people disagreed as well but did you notice how they posted? They didn?ft turn the topic around and make me look like a sad pathetic loser. They gave advice, in a respectful way. Oh Sheila, have you noticed how NO ONE in the game likes you? Before NeoG broke, I use to talk to all my friends on all the LS?fs that we could possible join. Should we go on Evil? Nah, that place is a little private some of us couldn?ft get in. What about Elites new Legion? Ect. Ect. Ect. Then I brought up RageOfDark (please, this has nothing to do with RoD, promise). A few people replied back to me, I can?ft directly prove these quotes but I will try to the best of my ability (these were a few months back as well):

Me: So what do you think about getting on RoD?
Friend1: Yeah, that place does have a lot of respect, I know a few people in there as well but Sheila is in there man. I don?ft think I would want to be in a LS with her?h
Friend2: No way dude, Sheila is a bitch and she?fs on that LS
Friend3: I would but Sheila is on that LS and she doesn?ft like anyone
Friend4: Join RoD? Haha, no way. Sheila is on that LS
Friend5: I would be in RoD but there is no way in the world Sheila would let anyone in

And the list just goes on and on an on?cPeople already know your behavior before they even get the game! Did you remember the time I approached you and asked for a RoD pearl? (Again, this has nothing to do with RoD, just a linkshell in common) If you didn?ft notice, I was actually scared as shit cause I thought you would say ?gget the hell away from me?h or something. As you couldn?ft tell, I was talking to you in a polite tone like I would talk to my grandmother. No one wants to be around you Sheila, you don?ft communicate with your fellow importers and you don?ft show respect to anyone but yourself and your little group of friends. Sure, no rule says you have to but you don?ft show respect to anyone unless they are in you?fre little ?gbubble.?h

Most people got this game only a few months after you did but yet you look down on everyone like they don?f t know what the hell they are doing and you are the superior being of all time. Before I use to look up to you. Yeah I knew you were a higher level and you were never involved in Importer Politics (that is a good thing). That is sorta another reason why I wanted to be on the LS. Then when I slip up once from something you didn?ft agree on from these forums, I finally got to see the true side of who you really are. When I was on your LS, about 90% of the time you talked is about how much you hate all the idiots on the forum and how much they pissed you off and made you angry. Obviously this job isn?ft suited for you if you have to blab your feeling about it to everyone on your LS. I would highly advise Ping to think about your moderatorship and how you reflect your community members here. Personally, even if we never had an argument once, I probably would of taken away your moderatorship myself if I was the forum admin.

[Seymour]

Kirie, I can?ft really say anything about you cause I don?ft know you that well because you don?ft post much. All I do know that you and Sheila are just stuck together like glue. What Sheila says, you support her no matter what and vise versa. It?fs really like a Sheila all over again and it?fs already bad enough for someone who makes a post about an opinion and have to deal with Sheila as it is.

You are 100% correct that just because im in your LS, doesn?ft mean you have to pussy-foot? (strange word) me around but with an LS that only has 4-5 regulars and just a few visitors, you turn into a little group of family and not just ?gow, he?fs just another person.?h Sure that wouldn?ft be the situation on NeoG since that place always had people you didn?ft know at all cause we got 3-4 new members everyday but when you are stuck with just so few people, you think any normal person would just show them a little more respect. It?fs just like a classroom, would you have more respect the person sitting over there in a college class with 100+ people in or would you respect that person a little more who is in a after school program with you (? Anything) and there?fs only 5 other people in that program? It?fs just another one of those ?gtreat others how you want to be treated?h types of situations. It?fs just a basic respect rule that most ?gnormal?h human beings should follow.

Let?fs just say (this is a what-if type of thing) that ive known you for some time. We talk almost about everyday for almost a year and you are on my LS with about 5 or so other members. If we got a new member one day and just a week after they get on, you make them look like a dumb shit and totally disrespected them just because YOU didn?ft agree with them, I would personally have a talk with you and asked you why you had to treat one of our new members like an idiot. You think anyone would stay on a small LS after one of the main leaders posted what you did right after I posted? That is like an automatic ?gget the hell out of this LS?h stamp right on my forehead. You show no respect to people who are trying to respect you.

Oh, and I know some of you people think that I just demand from Ping and I have no respect from him at all or anything but again you are blinded from your predictions. When I first came on this forum, I noticed this place had NO FFXI avatars even though it was a FFXI forum. I wanted to be a new member and I wanted to contribute to the forum so I spend about a good 6 hours and made all the FFXI (select screen) pics you all see today (like the one im wearing). Then when Ping started to make off of his new great movies, I noticed that 28 out of 30 days of the week I kept getting ?gbandwidth exceeded?h error every time I tried to download them. I actually insisted on uploading his movies onto TWO FTP servers I own. 1 with 20GB bandwidth, the other with unlimited (my friend owns a hosting company so he hooked me up with the unlimited) I wanted to help Ping show his great movies he had to offer so don?ft start turning my words around and make me sound like I disrespect Ping.

I feel like I have said enough. I don?ft want to have a ffxionline import LS if I have to fight about it. I already have more people against me when yet 1. I didn?ft say anything about them, (ex. Retard) and 2. I didn?ft even start this topic yet im getting all the heat from it. Again this game is supposed to last us for another 4 years, just keep that in the back of your head and think of all the things you can do now that will help in the long term that doesn?ft just benefit yourselves.

Also remember this. Forums do eventually come to an end. It?fs a cycle that you cannot get out of, it eventually will happen. It happens to all forums, it will happen to this forum. How the forum ends depends 100% on the members. 1. FFXII comes out so no one cares about FFXI anymore so they leave. 2. The forum has so many idiots it just forces all the good people to leave only leaving the idiots behind. 3. People are afraid to post because the only thing everyone thinks about is ?gim a bad ass and im better than anyone else?h so all people do is argue.

Luckily FFXI was built to last 5 years so I don?ft see this forum closing anytime soon. Don?ft want to hear that ?gthe originals wont leave because we have known each other for so long?h stuff either because I have heard it a DOZEN times and it ends up just everyone slowly leaves anyway. The point im trying to get at is Sheila really supports the #3 item I posted above. You haven?ft really had any problems yet because no one fights back with you. I have seriously noticed that. No one stands up to the great Sheila. Now you finally have me and all you are doing is digging a bigger hole for yourself, act like a moderator and restore the peace, not make it worse.

Again, In the last post I made on my topic, I tried to end it good by admitting I was acting out of line but you sure as hell know you were as well but you never admitted it and you just keep blabbin on. Do what?fs right for yourself and the people you reflect on here. Just admit it, YOU?fRE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, it?fs something you have to learn Sheila. To me, you sound more like the Spoiled white cracker more than I do.

*oh, and don't start pulling the: FLAMER MEANS THIS:____ junk because the term flammer is a VERY broad term as well. You may think it only means one thing but it doesn?ft to everyone else. So stop trying to make people look stupid just because the use the word flammer when YOU don't think it's appropriately used. Again you just think of yourself.*

[Seulgaist]

Moan, whine, bitch, complain....

Everyone just SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY

[Apoc]

Re:

Seymour... I think you need some help man, Friends come and go... NG once exisisted but there is no bringing back now man. Also WHAT DO YOU MAKE SUCH LENGTHY POSTS Dude Don't waste all your time on this GAME! I suggest you get another hobby or take a break from this game to calm yourself down.

[Seymour]

Re: Re:

Originally posted by Apoc
Seymour... I think you need some help man, Friends come and go... NG once exisisted but there is no bringing back now man. Also WHAT DO YOU MAKE SUCH LENGTHY POSTS Dude Don't waste all your time on this GAME! I suggest you get another hobby or take a break from this game to calm yourself down.

yeah I know, when I want to type I always type a lot :sweat: The whole entire post I made right above had nothing to do with getting friends back together. You and I both know this topic will get closed and im not leaving it without explaining how people are turning around my words. To tell you the truth, I know you can't get everyone back together again but you all make it sound like im some psycho dude who does. If I was someone that knew me after reading all this stuff, I probably wouldn't even want to be around me anymore. Look, I support friends being back together maybe more than the average person which is totally not a bad thing but people are making me sound like I just live for my ffxi friends now and nothing else. That isn't really the case but it's repeatedly being brought back up. I want to take your advice Apoc. I think im gonna lay low with the game and the forums until summer comes around when I got more time to post / play. Everyone can use a little break once in a while~?ô I got a few cool new games anyway

[Kirie]

Again this has turned into a debate about what kind of PEOPLE we are.

This thread has gone completely off topic and has turned into nothing more than a shit-flinging fest.

This thread is closed. If you think someone's a poor moderator, take it up with Ping or another admin. You don't like someone? Take it up with them. Enough. Enough. If another moderator or admin believes this should continue, I encourage them to open the thread.