The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

[Firewind]

Basically Youtube has Automated copyright claims via a content matching system that has pretty much been destroying a lot of legitimate content on Youtube. The main three: Nintendo, Sega and Capcom are up to their usual antics but even more crap is going on because it automatically flags content regardless of how it is used so people making legitimate reviews are getting the shaft hard.

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I have no sympathy at all for the people hopping on the LP bandwagon. That bubble was going to burst sooner or later. But a LOT of channels, huge channels like PewDiePie, Polaris Network (AngryJoeShow, Presshearttocontinue, CynicalBrit, OMFGCATA etc), Yogscast, Jimquisition etc are losing out here because legitimate review content is being flagged.

One notable thing that people are be caught out on are cutscenes and music. That is easy to flag up and match. The main issue here is that they are two things integral to the game experience and are kind of required to properly put into context and explain what it is that you are showing. It's a really shitty thing to be doing as well as the majority of these legit content cretors are using trailers and B-Reels that are put out everywhere for people to use in reviews, but this is what is letting publishers flag up people for copyright violation.

Publishers are massively shooting themselves in the foot here. The channels being hit by this are very influential in the games industry. If they can't honestly review the Triple A game, they will go to the indie devs, you know, the people that know that this kind of coverage is great for the industry. Google really needs to do something now toe protect the content creator. These are the kinds of channels that bring in millions in ad revenue for them, and if they go elsewhere, it's going to be a big blow to Youtube.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

So...when are we going to just give up on the concept of copyright and move on? It seems to do nothing but generate problems.

[Malacite]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Apparently this was all a result of the music industry (and really who's surprised at that?)

Yeah Nintendo kinda got the ball rolling, but from what I heard it was the music industry that began demanding strongly that YT start enforcing shit - a LOT of videos I had favorited (mostly anime tracks) immediately got taken down in scores.

Copyright laws are a must, don't be so damn naive Cid. The way that they (and patents) are enforced however, needs to be addressed.


Example: a few years back Apple sued (and won, which is very sad) some avg guy (he was on CNN talking about it) for $400k in damages for illegally downloading 5 or 6 songs that totaled about $10 I believe. yeah, because that's totally fair.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Copyright laws are a must, don't be so damn naive Cid.

I'd love to hear the logic behind this, because I suspect it falls apart fairly quickly.

[Firewind]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Copyright laws do nothing to protect the content creator. All they do is protect the people publishing said content. The Publishers cling to them because frankly, they aren't needed anymore.

Anyone that says that a publisher is required in the 21st century is delusional and part of the problem.

[Malacite]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Having someone steal your ideas and get rich off of something you busted your ass off to create for little or no effort sucks? e.g. China stealing all kinds of trade secrets and making cheap knock offs of products that took years of research by western companies.

[Etra]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Having someone steal your ideas and get rich off of something you busted your ass off to create for little or no effort sucks? e.g. China stealing all kinds of trade secrets and making cheap knock offs of products that took years of research by western companies.

I can't begin to describe the ethnocentric ideology oozing from this statement.

[Nandito]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Google really needs to do something now toe protect the content creator. These are the kinds of channels that bring in millions in ad revenue for them, and if they go elsewhere, it's going to be a big blow to Youtube.

Hell, I'm all for it, if only just to see what changes. If it continues like this and everyone starts abandoning the site, we'll just to make a new YouTube -- with blackjack, and hookers.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Except not really. YouTube has too much momentum at this stage of the game, plus the backing of Google, which is basically the presiding overlord of the internet with more money than God. I don't see YouTube going anywhere unless Google figures out a way to let it deliver a kick to the balls over a TCP/IP connection.

[Malacite]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Copy Rights =/= Patents.

People need to be able to protect their ideas. I'm not saying the laws are perfect (far from it) but abandoning the concept entirely is just stupid - you're basically endorsing plagiarism & piracy.

[Jarre]

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As usual its all down to money the greedy wanting to get richer and fuck everyone over. It would be interesting to see how society would change if there was no money.

[Malacite]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

The barter system was far worse, if that's what you're getting at.

[Firewind]

Re: The Youtube Bubble Bursts, Legit Content Creators are Predictably Hit Hardest.

Copy Rights =/= Patents.

People need to be able to protect their ideas. I'm not saying the laws are perfect (far from it) but abandoning the concept entirely is just stupid - you're basically endorsing plagiarism & piracy.

Completely missing the point.

Youtube is punishing people for using materials under a Fair Use policy protected under US Law, as well as the idiots that upload entire series and the LPers and Streamers that are just leeching off the dev's hard work while contributing nothing at the end of the day.

It does not discriminate. THAT is why it punished the legit content creator AKA the people that you know, made Youtube.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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It would be interesting to see how society would change if there was no money.

We would just invent it again.

In many U.S. prisons, cigarette is the currency of choice. Online, this Bitcoin thing is all the rage. Money is too useful of a tool; I don't see large human populations without money involved anytime soon.

[cidbahamut]

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People need to be able to protect their ideas. I'm not saying the laws are perfect (far from it) but abandoning the concept entirely is just stupid - you're basically endorsing plagiarism & piracy.

This seems to run contrary to human history. Things have continually improved because one person came up with an idea followed by other people stealing it and improving upon the original concept.

Ideas and knowledge are not things that can or should be hoarded. They do the most good when freely available.