The E3 2011 thread

[DakAttack]

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Nintendo made a lot of money off of people who don't play videos games. The reason the Wii's sales are slumping is because those people don't play video games. There were a lot of initial sales, but nothing sustained. Sony and Microsoft jumped onto the bandwagon like blind mice following the scent of cheese. It doesn't validate anything other than the belief that money makes the world go 'round.

[cidbahamut]

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Why not try having an actual reason behind your assertions rather than sounding like a bitter bitch 24/7? It really gets old.

I give you reasons, but you insist on ignoring them because they're legitimate complaints and undermine your position that this new motion control and other stuff is without flaw and should be unconditionally accepted.

[Yellow Mage]

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I give you reasons, but you insist on ignoring them because they're legitimate complaints

Hold that thought.

Ugh. I think I'm done with Nintendo if they're just going to roll out more and more gimmicks.

No one's arguing the gimmicks didn't bring in boatloads of cash BBQ.

I'm saying the gimmicks do nothing to add to my gaming experience and only serve to detract from it in a disproportionate number of cases.

I find it gets in the way of user input, so yes I'd call it fairly useless as an input device. But hey, that's just my experience and I'm clearly in the minority or it wouldn't be selling so damn well.

I don't see a valid complaint that extends beyond you. All of these can be summarized with "It is a gimmick because it doesn't work for me." Which is a completely legitimate complaint! For you. The rest of us will be playing Okami and Metroid Prime Trilogy and the like, and if you don't like it, well, nobody's forcing you to participate in our fun.

I mean, I could use your exact same arguments for something like Guitar Hero, and even more so for Rock Band (gimmicky controllers that are useless for most existing games), but a theoretical proponent of those arguments doesn't stop everybody else from enjoying it.

Sounds like someone's butthurt that I'm picking on Nintendo. What a surprise.

Sounds more like someone's butthurt that Nintendo isn't conforming. Last time Nintendo conformed, we got the Gamecube, and we all know how well that turned out.

The sooner you accept that conformity is just not something Nintendo does, the sooner we can all move on in constructive discussion.

[Raydeus]

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Very nice E3 thread. Very, very nice.

[DakAttack]

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How did the Gamecube turn out? I remember jamming on my N64, then hopping over to the Playstation, and then onto the huge Xbox. I remember playing Gamecube games, some of which were amazing, but I don't remember much else.

[Yellow Mage]

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How did the Gamecube turn out?

Basically as the PS3 of its generation.

[Etra]

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Very nice E3 thread. Very, very nice.

You know, I was thinking the same thing.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Basically as the PS3 of its generation.

Pretty much.

Gamecube was #2 in power, but not as powerful as Xbox and not as popular as Playstation. It was generally as affordable as a PS3 for years but suffered from not having the best version of the game most of the time (with rare exceptions) and more people had PS2s.

PS2 won out that generation on backward compatibility, affordability and a wide range of software. DVD was fresh and new, PS2 made it practical to have DVD movies in the home, too.

Once PSP and PS3 came around, it was like Sony forget everything that put them at #1 and inherited the former arrogance of Nintendo from the N64/GameCube era.

[Malacite]

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I had a thought yesterday.


It sounds like whatever this new console is, it's going to have a seemingly more standard controller - just with more features, like being its own console lol.

This immediately rings 2 bells in my head:

1) Price - This thing can't possibly be cheap like the Wii was if they're including this sort of tech.

2) There might not be motion control, again due to the controller and it being a portable device etc.


So what does this mean? It may very well mean that Nintendo will try a yet unheard of strategy - two active consoles at once. You have the Wii for the casual/motion control crowd, and this new system that's giving every indication (at least to me) for the more hardcore crowd. This just speculation on my part, but it's the vibe I'm getting based on everything I've read so far.

I'm actually really hoping this is the case, because Nintendo can still keep pushing Wii stuff - hardware sales are way down, but that's because so many people already have one. The market for software is still as strong as ever though. It's the hardcore crowd such as myself that have been turned off by Nintendo and gone over to MS & Sony to get our fix. This could very well turn out to be Nintendo's answer to that, and that's exactly what I'd love to see.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Its long been confirmed that Project Cafe is backward compatible to Wii, which means the Wiimotes would still be viable and even applicable to Project Cafe games like the Gamecube controller can be used in various Wii games. Wiimote support will still be around and likely implemented for various games, it just will have to share the spotlight with the the more traditional control scheme. Though I do hope games that function better with a Wiimote aren't marginalized for the sake of appeasing people that want a traditional control scheme

There's just something sad about playing No More Heroes with traditional controller. Or forcing that to be the only option for FPS (looking at you Bioshock Infinite). I wouldn't expect the next Mario game (whatever that is for Cafe) to taking on the Galaxy approach again, though the control scheme for that worked great.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Well, this is odd.

- I thought Insomniac was a Sony first party.

They're set to reveal a game that EA will be publishing for PS3 and 360 (and possiblyCafe).

So "hnh" in response to that.

EA announced their version of Steam, called "Origin," which launched yesterday and will be the only portal by which Star Wars: The Old Republic will be available (aside from retail).

To which I say "lol, will fail most certainly." Really, EA is a company that is shitty to their fans and will only be offering EA games on this thing, so I kinda fail to see the point of it. This and CoD Elite are terrible ideas. We can say competition is good for business, but again, EA is shitty to their customers and Valve isn't. Sharding services and content away from where its popular to download or view it is just dumb all around. Why bet your MMO on this?

- Nikkei is once again stating that Project Cafe's controller will double as a portable gaming device, which furthers my belief 3DS will be able to have this functionality as well.

[cidbahamut]

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Really? EA wants to compete with Steam? That's a laugh.

[Raydeus]

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LULZ Origin.

EA is the reason I was already seriously hesitating about even trying out TOR.* Their bad online account management and repeated bugs (like not being able to play the game you've paid for and all additional content if you go online because the crappy system says you are not authorized) really make them the last place I'd look for games online.

Heck, I was all ready to buy the 2 scenario DLCs for DA when I was hit by the not recognized bug. They haven't been able to fix it (nor do they seem to care about fixing it) to this day.

And don't get me started on the whole Cerberus network thing.

So yeah, unless EA has nothing to do with the subscription service (impossible, I know) I may not be playing TOR after all.


*Which is very sad for me.

[Kailea]

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- Nikkei is once again stating that Project Cafe's controller will double as a portable gaming device, which furthers my belief 3DS will be able to have this functionality as well.

I kind of find this idea to be alittle....stupid

If I want to portable game, I have my 3DS, I dont need my console controller to be one too -.-

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I kind of find this idea to be alittle....stupid

If I want to portable game, I have my 3DS, I dont need my console controller to be one too -.-

Well, it seems to be something Sony and Nintendo are angling toward.

You have to realize that they want, to some extent, to show how their games are different from what iOS offers to the mainstream market, that they're far, far more sophisticated games worth the money.

At the same time, they have to adapt to a world where someone can transfer their games, music and such between an iPhone, iPad and a Mac. The console and handheld gaming experience have to evolve a little to stay relevant in a more mobile-oriented culture. This is a way of doing that.

Also, you're neglecting to think of the people that don't own handhelds.

Nintendo and Sony are looking for ways to make you want a 3DS to go with your Cafe and an NGP to go with your PS3. On that score, they've succeeded with me, but I was a big handheld gamer anyway.

But that guy that gets MGS collection for PS3? He's also getting a voucher for the PSN version of MGS Peacewalker. That's a free game not being used and people tend to like free shit. Once they see how cool that game is at home they may very well want to have the option to play it on the go.

Why leave out that option? With NGP that game is actually going to upscale not only visually, but adapt to the second analog stick - an interesting feature that all PSP gams from PSN will be enjoying - though I don't know how it works, I'm certainly not going to complain about added functionality (though I do worry about durability with protruding analog sticks).

Saying "If I wanted a portable game, I'd play my X" is the same thing people said about PS2 BC when it was gutted from PS3. It doesn't change the fact that someone like me would really like not having to hook up a PS2 any time I get the urge to play a PS2 game, which makes me unhook my Wii and move shit around. People like the convenience of BC.

Transferring your game from console to handheld/controller and back seems like a nice convenience. Now I can take my console games elsewhere.