So... Starcraft 2?

[Malacite]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

And I call bullshit. The only reason this first installment was 59.99 and not 39.99 or less was because it contains, the entire new battlenet client (that all blizz games will be moving to) it contains the entire online multiplayer, and it contains the Campaign Editor. You show me a nice linky where blizzard has it stated that the next 2 will cost as much as this one.

2 Words - Bobby Kotick.

EDIT: Oh, so they retracted what they said at Blizzcon about charging full price on all 3 then? Hmm, that's much better. I'd still rather wait for a Bundle, and preferably a used one at that as I'm loath to give Activision any of my money until that assfuck Kotick is out of there and they get back to a more consumer-friendly business model.(this is the same asshole who said creativity has no place in the industry, and that making as much money as possible from every franchise is all that matters...)

[Lmnop]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Is anybody playing? I could use some discussion on tactics. I've got a 2-man team with a friend of mine, and we're ranked 39th in the silver league, but he's not very good at giving me advice.

As far as I can tell there's three phases to any given match: rush, harass, and the finale. You've got to consider a rush depending on your opponents' races. This typically means walling, but depending on the opponent you would use different units. You've also got to consider how your opponent might harass you, because it's more possible now than in the original. Then, you've got the finale and you need to plan what your end goal is for unit production.

I'm still pretty bad at expanding while tech'ing, but I've had a few good matches tonight. I really suffer from building too much of a good thing. If something works I tend to stick with it, which is a problem because opponents tend to adapt.

Terran is my absolute worst race, first off (which is too bad, because I think they're the neatest).

I wouldn't wait 'til 11 to build a supply depot. I think 10 supply and then barracks as soon as you hit 150 minerals is better.

In my admittedly limited 2v2 (I tend towards 1v1) experience, I haven't experienced much in the way of very early cheese rushes, but I DO see a lot of timed all-ins. This is to say, both opponents build as big of an army as they can off of 1 base and run out together. If the attack fails, you can retaliate or (even better) expand w/out fear. With an expansion or 2 up and running and your opponents stuck 1-basing, you've already won (assuming you keep an eye on them and punish them if they try to expo). Trick is surviving their team all-in. Best of luck.

Some general tips:

-try not to queue up units to build. Some is OK, but never full. I try to limit myself to 2 units in a queue at a time (that's one actively building and one waiting). If you can have all your production structures with 3+ units queued up, you need to be building more production facilities!

-as a follow up to that, everyone in the starcraft community believes macro > micro and even macro > strategy. For the vast majority of the game, what you choose to build is secondary to having a strong economy and keeping your money low. As Day [9] says: when you try really hard to keep your money low, you tend to end up doing all the right things.

-As terran, particularly if you invest heavily in siege tanks, you can afford to expand TOWARDS your opponent instead of finding out-of-the-way expos. Terran Mech is king of screaming in the face of the opponent "I'm taking this base and there's not a damn thing you can do about it" as you crawl closer to them. The problem with grabbing an expansion tucked away somewhere is that you have to dedicate defenses to it that can't also double as part of your standing army. Units whose only job is to sit at base and prevent shenanigans make your main army exactly that much weaker than it should be.

-A friend of mine whose much better than me has a rule of thumb I'll pass on to you: for every base you have actively mining, you can support 4 "stuff". 2 barracks+factory+starport, 2 barracks+2 factory, etc. To a lesser extent, you can substitute tech in this rough rule of thumb. 2 barracks + factory + "lots of upgrades/research". It doesn't always work out perfectly (I wouldn't suggest 1-basing with 1 barracks + 3x factories unless you know what you're doing) but that's why it's just a rule of thumb. This formula carries over to protoss relatively well, too.

-Build more SCVs. It takes 30 to run an expansion optimally. If you have over 30, it doesn't mean you should stop building SCVs. It means grab an expo (if you don't have one already).

I probably have more...

[Kailea]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Trying to find the info I see Blizzard corrected themselves, when this all started, they said that each game would be a separate full game, now they are calling the other race sets expansions. So I guess they wont be charging the full price for each one like they organically planned, figure they knew it would not fly. So yeah guess it would be 59.99 for the main game and 39.99 for the other two *shrugs*

I still feel like waiting though, that way I can play it all at once, and finish up the stuff I am playing now.... that and FFXIV and all that ;p

[MrMageo]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

for some reason terran is all i seem to be able to play. I know the basics don't change much from race to race, but if I am zerg I get crushd so fast, and as toss I just can't seem to time my expo right, and If i am to late I fall behind unit wise, and If I am to early I can't defend against an early rush.

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Anyways, I've been doing pretty well with Terran lately.

Start with two Barracks until I start scanning. Marines are very versatile and pumping them out allows for an early harass or defense against one. Once I'm scanning I'll figure out what I'm doing next.

[MrMageo]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Blizzard already said that the other 2 games, each giving the other races stories, will be full stand alone games, each costing 59.99

179.97 just to get the story missions for all three races? no thanks -.- like I said, I will wait for a Collection box that will have all three, for a much lower price (say $100 or so)
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And I call bullshit. The only reason this first installment was 59.99 and not 39.99 or less was because it contains, the entire new battlenet client (that all blizz games will be moving to) it contains the entire online multiplayer, and it contains the Campaign Editor. You show me a nice linky where blizzard has it stated that the next 2 will cost as much as this one.

They are also not stand alone games, they are expansions, they have always been expansions, they just happen to contain 30 missions each (for a total of 90). Don't know where you get your info, but blizzard has still not A. Set a release date for heart of the swarm, nor B. Set a price for their EXPANSIONS. Considering the min thrust of content, IE. The battle net system, the multiplayer engine/servers are all now live and contained in the first installment, you would have to be pretty retarded to think it costs the same down the line.

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Well, I bought a computer with 'decent' parts, so I'm upgrading for FFXIV. After countless discussions with beta players, I know I'm not the only one. The only way to make this affordable for me is to do it in phases. Graphics card first, because it'll help the most. CPU and mobo second, because I'll need a mobo that'll support the CPU. The mobo will probably be SLI-ready.

[Kailea]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

You'll have to clarify.

Do you really need to upgrade or just clean up the PC?
If you do what parts really need upgrading to get your results
Now that you know what parts, where can you go to get the best at the cheapest, and if need be the fastest

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

a real PC builder knows when/if and where/how much to spend, and or buy a new part if need be.

You'll have to clarify.

[Kailea]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Why are gamers such strange people? Why are people who are willing to put together new computers, or buy expensive new pieces, just for one game not willing to purchase three full games? This reminds me of L4D2, when people thought boycotting it was a good idea because it came too soon after the original. One year is too soon? With the way Valve let L4D turn to shit, I would have expected a replacement, anyways.

Anyways, I've been totally off my game. I'm always being scouted and countered, so I really need to take the initiative with spying and counter or find a way to disguise what units I plan on building. One of my favorite ways to disguise involves proxy command centers in random locations on large maps, but that's rare on 2v2.

sorry but I don't build a new PC for one game, nor do I use expensive parts, a real PC builder knows when/if and where/how much to spend, and or buy a new part if need be.

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Why are gamers such strange people? Why are people who are willing to put together new computers, or buy expensive new pieces, just for one game not willing to purchase three full games? This reminds me of L4D2, when people thought boycotting it was a good idea because it came too soon after the original. One year is too soon? With the way Valve let L4D turn to shit, I would have expected a replacement, anyways.

Anyways, I've been totally off my game. I'm always being scouted and countered, so I really need to take the initiative with spying and counter or find a way to disguise what units I plan on building. One of my favorite ways to disguise involves proxy command centers in random locations on large maps, but that's rare on 2v2.

[Kailea]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Hell the cost is inflated for the first copy because it contains the new batte.net client, the new SC2 online client, the Editor Client. The only thing that an expansion will need is 30 or so missions, it doesn't need any extra bullshit, 30 or so missions and thats all.

Blizzard already said that the other 2 games, each giving the other races stories, will be full stand alone games, each costing 59.99

179.97 just to get the story missions for all three races? no thanks -.- like I said, I will wait for a Collection box that will have all three, for a much lower price (say $100 or so)

[MrMageo]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Actually there are no zerg missions, (unless I have missed one somewhere but i think i have nailed them all). There is protoss missions however. (several in a diverged story arc).

As for the game costing 59.99 3 times, I can't remember the last time an expansion pack cost as much as the game itself. Usually it is 20-30 dollars cheaper. Most likely less (when SC1 was first launched as a stand alone game pre expanion, the cost was 49.99, the expac released at 19.99) The bundle still cost 39.99, so you save a grand total of 20 bucks. However, you choose to pay monthly 13+ dollars, to play an MMO, that hasn't changed in 4 years. (minus the rehash of new acheesea areas.)

There is nothing wrong with wanting to wait. But putting it on price is pretty lame. I could understand waiting so you could play the whole story arc at once, (like you could in SC1+BW) but Blizz has said expect the releases to be several months in between. If you can't put together 10-15 bucks a month aside, over the course of several months to buy the expacks as they come out then how can you play final fantasy 11 or other MMO's on a month to month basis.

Hell the cost is inflated for the first copy because it contains the new batte.net client, the new SC2 online client, the Editor Client. The only thing that an expansion will need is 30 or so missions, it doesn't need any extra bullshit, 30 or so missions and thats all.

Cost my ass.....

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Malacite is like me, and many others, we are not touching SC2 until all three race campaigns come out, in some form of collection pack, at a lower price then paying 59.99 for each.

Bawww. I don't know anybody who plays this game only for the single player campaign, and this isn't specifically Terran only, there's a few Protoss and Zerg missions in there, as well, if I read it correctly. I've only played the first mission and clicked through the first interactive scene, and it's pretty neat.

[Kailea]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

wat do you mean ?

Malacite is like me, and many others, we are not touching SC2 until all three race campaigns come out, in some form of collection pack, at a lower price then paying 59.99 for each.