Erase order

[Brayden]

Greetings,

Im about 100k from buying Erase, in a situation where multiple people are affected by a status effect, who should I Erase first? IE: crab uses str down effect, should I lift it from the Pld first, or the Drk?

[Arturo-B]

It depends on the situation really. For example eva down is huge for a Nin, and needs to come off immediately. Bind on a pld needs to come off if they need to cover or move to regain hate.

For things like str down, honestly crabs spam them so often, that though you'll remove it at first, it will become of little value and too much mp spent to do so continuously. After my first or second day in Kuftal I didn't even bother. The mp and cast time is better spent on regen or cures.

The same with spider slow. Remove it from the nin, but for everyone else you'll maybe get 1-2 people due to recast time, and it will be on again. Not much point to doing so frequently.

Erase really shines when you do things like beastman, who can bio/dia for lengthy periods. This needs to come off. Also hp/mp down is a killer from manticores and sheep. And of course golem or other mob bind is quite annoying.

I found it really didn't require frequent use until past 60. Past 70 it's pretty much a requirement.

[Icemage]

Highest priority Erases:

Ninja: Slow, Evasion Down, MaxHP Down, Gravity
Paladin: Slow, Dia I/II, MaxHP Down, MaxMP Down
All Melees: Bio I/II, and ESPECIALLY III, Slow
Thief: Bind, Gravity
Monk: STR-Down
Bard: Bind, Gravity
All spellcasters: MaxMP Down


Icemage

[Flash]

Originally posted by Icemage
Highest priority Erases:

Ninja: Slow, Evasion Down, MaxHP Down, Gravity
Paladin: Slow, Dia I/II, MaxHP Down, MaxMP Down
All Melees: Bio I/II, and ESPECIALLY III, Slow
Thief: Bind, Gravity
Monk: STR-Down
Bard: Bind, Gravity
All spellcasters: MaxMP Down


Icemage

Just the ones you missed

BLM: INT-Down
RDM(only if RDM is MB'ing): INT-Down
PLD: DEF-Down (Those lame dhalmels lol, in Bibiki Bay)
NIN: DEF-Down (Dhalmel), ATK-Down (Bats)

As for STR-Down on a PLD in the case you stated. Don't even bother, the crabs use that effect so often and PLD's shouldn't be relying on dmg output to be holding hate. So, I would, If you can, If not it shouldn't be worried about, since STR-Down lowers it's effect the longer it's on (i.e. when you first get it, it's -9 STR, then it graduallys lowers, -8, -7, -6, as time passes till it wears off.).

[Miriamel]

All Spellcasters: DOT effects.

[Flash]

Or just tell the mage to cast stoneskin lol :spin: :spin:

[Brayden]

Thanks for all the input, i see it can vary from situation to situation.

[locus]

-_- You don't need to use Erase for Max HP/MP down. Use Cursna. Yes, it costs more mana, but it also casts faster and has negligible recast time. The biggest problem with Erase is that it's like regen - it takes a long time to cast.

To be practical though, in an EXP situation, the only non-spider time you really need to decide on "Erase order" is when you fight golems and they do an ohsoannoying crystal rain on your party. My order then follows:

1)Erase the SA/TA person if he's not in the right position
2)Erase the Bard, if there is one.
3)You can ignore the rest until after the battle - let the Bard/blm erase the rest for you. If they're in Ru Aun, they should know how to keep hate.

[zaye]

oooh ^^

Sweet, my friend told me to check this thread since I just bought Erase over the weekend. It's a nice start to find this thread to look at some advice on how to use the spell wisely I know I'm crazy to buy this spell lol esp I don't exactly need it just yet, but I am glad to get this out of my way from my wishlist lol

[wolfjorg]

kinda off topic but where can i obtain erase instead of paying that high AH price ?

[Darkedge]

Various BCNM. you can look at mysterytour i don't have the url with me though sorry.

EDIT: http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.j.../bcnm/view.htm

[cavill]

Erase who requires that kind of stat the most, like STR down, so you would mainly use that on the hard damage dealers, like RNG, DRK, DRG etc.. PLD is pretty important to remove stat affects from him too.

INT down affects, obviously you would remove from BLM and RDM's, also DRK (last).

Yeh i think you get the point now.

[kuroitsuru]

I personally think str and atk down should come off of skillchain enders and thieves as a high priority.

I've been leveling in kuftal and boyahda and I find that when I have str-down my attacks go down to 0's sometimes (I am aware this is partially due to the annoying def-boosts that crabs have, but not always). I know my melee dmg isn't much, but the fact that I stop gaining tp hurts a lot. I've also noticed that having str-down can lower my starting SATA and Viper Bite dmg by as much as 100 dmg and therefore the Distortion suffers by as much as 50 dmg.

I'm sure the dmg from any other melee when closing a skillchain would suffer just the same, so take these effects off of us please.

[Tifa]

BLM: INT-Down
RDM(only if RDM is MB'ing): INT-Down

Never seen INT-down. Seen mandras do MND-down but never seen an INT-down, as far as I can remember.

Good thread on Erase.

[Rones]

Cockatrice in kuftal do an aoe int down.