A message from the thieves.

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Gumbercules
I'm a DRK and I can safely tell you WAR is a much better DD for a large portion of the game, mainly until we get to L3 SC.

Wow! A smart, non-egotistical DRK. I didn't know they exited. :p

As weather or not if WARs our top-tier damage dealers, I let my sig do the talking.

[Voila!]

Don't blame me you're all idiots. I flamed nobody.

I gave you some rope, and guess what you did with it?

[Darkedge]

What you gave us was the message your observations were correct, and other people's experiences were not.

[Unholy Prince]

Originally posted by ZQM
Wow! A smart, non-egotistical DRK. I didn't know they exited. :p

As weather or not if WARs our top-tier damage dealers, I let my sig do the talking.

Lol so true. To Gumbercules, i respect you very much for being able to make that statment.

[ddg]

1. Lol, the Chain Suit is lv24, and that one is cheap. This 35k to 40k is very cheap, also you get every single gil back when you sell it a bit higher. I did this 3times so far.

Please learn to spell, and if you're going to use computer talk , atleast use it correctly. "lv24"? You mean "lvl"? As in "level"? Chain mail is not cheap either, not for the average player. The full suit on Unicorn cost around 60k, that's not cheap for a level 24 warrior.

2. All your answers are like war is the only good Job in the game, all other jobs stinks. And i will still kick a war or /war who screws the hatemanagement between the tank and the thf or /thf. Since unneded provokes are not needed.

Stop rambling, make some sense for gods sake. I never once said warrior was the only good job in the game, you're an idiot. I don't even use warrior, unless I'm subbing it. "Hate management" is two words idiot. No one would join your party anyways, you can't even spell Hate management.

3. You really know what a Ranger does and where he stays, do you.

You mean I don't know what a Ranger does and where he stays? You fucked up again dude. Rangers stay far away and shoot arrows, occasionaly they use a Weapon skill, THAT'S ALL. Your poor typing skills are losing your fight again.

4. So i doubt you ever played this game, since you say Samurai stinks and does nothing. Samurai is the best TP generator Job in the whole game, not even Ranger can cope with a SAM in this department.

Yeah man, I've NEVER EVER PLAYED THIS GAME. I just post on the forums and prove idiots like you wrong. It's pretty sad that someone like me who has never played the game can prove you wrong in so many ways. Samurai gain lots of TP...... Wow? Unless the whole party can effectively complete a skill chain, Samurai is useless. Department? Dude, it's a job trait that they gain an extra 4-5 TP per hit, not a "department".

SMN sucks, ok you didn't played with one i asume. Otherwhise you would know what they can do. Hmm, Stoneskinga, Blinkga, other nice -ga eveything useless.

I didn't play with this one? http://www.dailygrammar.com/.
I won't even touch the rest of what you said....."stoneskinga".....

And sure a MNK, WAR and DRG can do more DMG then a RNG, go dream on. I always outdmg every other DD Job when i play Ranger except a proper played THF, then i'm even with him.

Before you said you out damage thief? Like I said before, you probably do a bit more damage. Monk, Warrior, and Dragoon are more usefull. Their job traits are more usefull during battle. We've settled this part, so stop bringing it up.

5. And yes? What will you say here?

http://www.dailygrammar.com/

[ddg]

So many misconceptions put into this thread.

First of all, Voila, whos already shown the type of person he is on another thread on this board, comes and starts this, for no real reason.

To the guys who said Sam, drk, and smn before war and mnk, um, have you seen any mnk or war dps after 55? Rampage makes wars own, they are top DDs in the game, Mnk have the best DPS in the game. Drk are the "mediocre" DDs until 65 and 66 where they get their great power, Cross Reaper and Spinning Slash. Smn is usually a healer in a pt, great DD vs HNMs and stuff,but.. they don't replace a DD. Sam? Great for 2 renkei parties, but otherwise, terrible DPS, terrible damage. Drg who you said you wouldn't take, do more damage then Sam. Any TP gain? a good thf, war, or mnk can gain enough tp to SC every fight with a Rng. So what you can't go the second you hit 100%, half your WSs miss at 100% TP anyways.

War easiest job? Having to know how to do two jobs, to be flexible, to change your role at the blink of an eye? I wouldn't call that easy. No job is "easy". If its easy then your not playing to the best of your abilities.

War isn't more expensive then rng or nin in the melee department, but haveing to hold 2 sets of gear isn't cheap. Factor in Snipers, haubergeon for the DD factor alone, and thats a lot. Then add a tank suit, and gear to lvl 3 Subjobs...

I don't want to offend anyone, and please don't take this the wrong way, but it really does irk me when lowbies come on and tell the end gamers what to do or how to do it, or act like they know more then people who've experienced the game. At least do your research a little more before saying such things.

Spark notes anyone? http://www.sparknotes.com/idiot-foru...e/bullshit.htm

I'll post the spark notes for those of you to lazy to go see them:

I'm an idiot and I know nothing.

Nuff said.

[Unholy Prince]

posting a broken link really proves your point. Ouch, you got me beat... :spin:

Mind posting why I know nothing, and since i'm so wrong, what the right is? You make a flame instead of actually posting any information.

[ZQM]

Palin was basically dead on, so I'm quite interested what you disagree with, ddg.

[greysenn]

You mean I don't know what a Ranger does and where he stays? You fucked up again dude. Rangers stay far away and shoot arrows, occasionaly they use a Weapon skill, THAT'S ALL. Your poor typing skills are losing your fight again

Nah, most xp mobs people like to fight have negligible AE attacks. You can usually get a few knife swings in even if you're firing nonstop, so it's good for TP. Some stuff is legitimately nasty though, and in that case it is better to stand back.

[Elsurion]

Let ddg have his dreams and his so much better spelled english vocabular. He's one who likes to mess, as you can see, in every single phrase he has some insult in it.

As for the Equipment, well most DD needs Haubergon, Snipers and other expensive stuff. Also we talked here Armor pre Genkai 1 not post.

And i doubt smn is only a whm with pets, but they are used as this in the game.

@Gryff: Well, most WAR aren't used as DD, they are used as Tanks. And for the two sets of armor. Many jobs has 2 up to 3 full sets of armor with them, so what's the point there? Also Rampage is a Axe WS, so BST has them to. Not WAR only.

And quit insulting ppls who has an other view then yourself has. Well it seems to be comon here to call someone who has another view asshat

[Darkedge]

Originally posted by ddg
Rangers stay far away and shoot arrows, occasionaly they use a Weapon skill, THAT'S ALL. Your poor typing skills are losing your fight again.

Unless the whole party can effectively complete a skill chain,

You hypocritical piece of trash! I'm sorry, I stopped being a grammar nanny when I as 13, when I was able to learn 'if *anyone* can read it, why can't you?'

Who actually stays in a PT that isn't SCing? As Unholy Prince said, they're best for 2 SC parties.

[Mookie]

Elsurion, since I hit 30 9 out of 10 parties I've joined wanted me for DD rather than tank (which is good considering that is what WAR is best at, and it is what enjoy the most).

WAR is more expensive than a great deal of classes. RNG and NIN "throw" gil away, but DD equipment is definatly not cheap, and tanking gear is a hell of a lot cheaper, but a full set adds up to a pretty penny. Even pre-genkai 1 there were only 3 pieces I did not change when going into tanking mode (back, hands and belt (acc is always good)).

As for several classes carrying several sets of armor with them... I've seen NINs with DEF gear for when sh*t hits the fan, MNKs with MND gear for Chi Blast, and WARs with DD and Tank gear. Other classes may carry a few other pieces of equipment around (like THFs using attack earrings instead of dodge during normal attacks), but have yet to find a PLD carrying DD gear, or a DRK carrying tanking gear.

Yes BST get Rampage and so do DRKs, but BST cant really be considered DD unless they have their pet and they dont have the STR of a WAR to match our WS power. And as for DRKs I've yet to see 1 weilding anything but a Greatsword or Sycthe.

Also WAR in DD mode is about as easy as other classes, but you have to be ready to switch to tank mode if the PLD or NIN are in trouble/DEAD, or if they are unable to pull hate off the BLM after a Ancient magic burst (provoke+warcry and I can almost always get hate from BLM, but then I am tanking for the remainder of the fight).
But in tank mode its one hell of a hard class to play and its definatly not as easy as hitting the provoke macro. WAR/NIN (as tank) is definatly the hardest job I've played to date (except THF when I am in a group that doesn't understand sh*t about SATA) and I still prefer to be WAR/MNK for tanking just because hate management is a lot easier and I have tons of abilities at my disposal, but its still not easy compaired to a lot of other classes (MNK and RNG in particular).


As for the original topic, its hard for THFs, the party as a whole needs to know what they are doing for us to be able to function properly. As for the moving part, I find that most WARs know what they are doing. They keep right behind the mob and upclose so I can reach it. Its the SAMs and DRKs that I have the most problems with.

And I would definatly post a thread like this in the RDM forums, because there is no class that has screwed up my SATA more than the RDMs that like to melee.

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Elsurion

@Gryff: Well, most WAR aren't used as DD, they are used as Tanks. And for the two sets of armor. Many jobs has 2 up to 3 full sets of armor with them, so what's the point there? Also Rampage is a Axe WS, so BST has them to. Not WAR only.

And quit insulting ppls who has an other view then yourself has. Well it seems to be comon here to call someone who has another view asshat

past 37 war is mostly used as DD.
Bst doesnt get access to the job traits or abilities that war does.

As for insulting? no.

Its just amusing that someone with 1/5th or 1/6th the experience will tell someone who's static'd with a DD war to 68, that they are wrong

[Weap]

4. So i doubt you ever played this game, since you say Samurai stinks and does nothing. Samurai is the best TP generator Job in the whole game, not even Ranger can cope with a SAM in this department.

If it wasn't for meditate on my samurai, I would fall behind on the TP gain very easily. >.> :sweat: I also have monk up to par, actually higher then my samurai, and I've experienced TP gain much faster then samurai.

[ddg]

Wow. It's good to know that no one here has yet to substantiate their arguements.

Elsurion, since I hit 30 9 out of 10 parties I've joined wanted me for DD rather than tank (which is good considering that is what WAR is best at, and it is what enjoy the most).

WAR is more expensive than a great deal of classes. RNG and NIN "throw" gil away, but DD equipment is definatly not cheap, and tanking gear is a hell of a lot cheaper, but a full set adds up to a pretty penny. Even pre-genkai 1 there were only 3 pieces I did not change when going into tanking mode (back, hands and belt (acc is always good)).

As for several classes carrying several sets of armor with them... I've seen NINs with DEF gear for when sh*t hits the fan, MNKs with MND gear for Chi Blast, and WARs with DD and Tank gear. Other classes may carry a few other pieces of equipment around (like THFs using attack earrings instead of dodge during normal attacks), but have yet to find a PLD carrying DD gear, or a DRK carrying tanking gear.

Yes BST get Rampage and so do DRKs, but BST cant really be considered DD unless they have their pet and they dont have the STR of a WAR to match our WS power. And as for DRKs I've yet to see 1 weilding anything but a Greatsword or Sycthe.

Also WAR in DD mode is about as easy as other classes, but you have to be ready to switch to tank mode if the PLD or NIN are in trouble/DEAD, or if they are unable to pull hate off the BLM after a Ancient magic burst (provoke+warcry and I can almost always get hate from BLM, but then I am tanking for the remainder of the fight).
But in tank mode its one hell of a hard class to play and its definatly not as easy as hitting the provoke macro. WAR/NIN (as tank) is definatly the hardest job I've played to date (except THF when I am in a group that doesn't understand sh*t about SATA) and I still prefer to be WAR/MNK for tanking just because hate management is a lot easier and I have tons of abilities at my disposal, but its still not easy compaired to a lot of other classes (MNK and RNG in particular).


As for the original topic, its hard for THFs, the party as a whole needs to know what they are doing for us to be able to function properly. As for the moving part, I find that most WARs know what they are doing. They keep right behind the mob and upclose so I can reach it. Its the SAMs and DRKs that I have the most problems with.

And I would definatly post a thread like this in the RDM forums, because there is no class that has screwed up my SATA more than the RDMs that like to melee.

I don't know if any of this is about me, because I'm not reading it. Get a live journal and shove it.

Its just amusing that someone with 1/5th or 1/6th the experience will tell someone who's static'd with a DD war to 68, that they are wrong

I know this was not aimed at me, but shut up.

You hypocritical piece of trash! I'm sorry, I stopped being a grammar nanny when I as 13, when I was able to learn 'if *anyone* can read it, why can't you?'

Quitting cold turkey must be hard huh? How long has it been, 3....4 days?

Who actually stays in a PT that isn't SCing? As Unholy Prince said, they're best for 2 SC parties.

Ummm, everyone from levels 1-50. Samurai play one role and one role only, wich is sad. Most classes can provide 2-3 roles in a fight, unless they're BLM or WHM.

they're best for 2 SC parties

Wtf?

Let ddg have his dreams and his so much better spelled english vocabular. He's one who likes to mess, as you can see, in every single phrase he has some insult in it.

"Vocabular"...... I like to mess? Phrase? Oh......kay........

Palin was basically dead on, so I'm quite interested what you disagree with, ddg.

Did you read any of my posts?

What you gave us was the message your observations were correct, and other people's experiences were not.

He was right.

posting a broken link really proves your point. Ouch, you got me beat...

I'm sorry they removed that section of the site, it seems people were actualy become less intelegent after reading it.

Mind posting why I know nothing, and since i'm so wrong, what the right is? You make a flame instead of actually posting any information.

I made a flame? Right.... I was just letting everyone know that the whole mini speach you gave us was obviously filled with bull shit. Why you ask? Your mother. I don't need to explain my reasons to you nerds. Just /em stfu ok?