A message from the thieves.

[Naota1369]

Yes...... because a bard is a perfect replacement for a ranger in a DD spot ......./clap

[flipmazzi]

Just because I get parties faster then you, do more damage then you, and am overall more useful then you, doesn't mean you need to get uptight.

You clearly have somehow missed the overall concept of this game.

[Elsurion]

Originally posted by flipmazzi
You clearly have somehow missed the overall concept of this game.

To be at fast as possible at 75? Being still Rank1 (Lastokans like the Gillsellers on Levi?)

[ddg]

Just because I get parties faster then you, do more damage then you, and am overall more useful then you, doesn't mean you need to get uptight.

Just because we aren't unorigonal newbs who pick the easiest job in the game doesn't mean we are uptight. Stick to the background you stupid jew.

Yes...... because a bard is a perfect replacement for a ranger in a DD spot ......./clap

Stfu, if you want a DD, get a warrior, nuff said. We don't need some fruit with a bow messing up our hate controle. Bards aide more in battle, most rangers are the first to run if anyone dies.

[Lmnop]

This thread is off topic. you guys are all pointless.

[TheMidg]

WHM is the true damage dealer

[Elsurion]

Originally posted by ddg
Just because we aren't unorigonal newbs who pick the easiest job in the game doesn't mean we are uptight. Stick to the background you stupid jew.


Stfu, if you want a DD, get a warrior, nuff said. We don't need some fruit with a bow messing up our hate controle. Bards aide more in battle, most rangers are the first to run if anyone dies.

Ok, which drug didn't you take?

To clarify, war is the easyiest job in the game. I never had leveled a job that fast as i did with war. In the Money department. Armor and 1H Axes and 2H Axes are cheap.

And ranger isn't that easy as you war-fanboy thinks, it' takes more then a provoke here and then to screw up your pld hatemanagement I kick a war or /war who screws up the hatemanagement.

Ranger costs a shitload of money, like a nin. Also you have to pay close attention what is the actual hatebalance, since ranger hasn't that much def and can get ripped fast.

And a War isn't a top DD, it's medicore. Also i would take a THF, BLM, RNG, DRK, SAM, SNM before i take a MNK,WAR,BST, DRG. Unless the job is allready in my party. All i need is a tank (pld, nin or war/nin) and a /war for the Hatemanagement.

[ddg]

This thread is off topic. you guys are all pointless

Thanks for adding to the pointlessness dumbass.

To clarify, war is the easyiest job in the game. I never had leveled a job that fast as i did with war. In the Money department. Armor and 1H Axes and 2H Axes are cheap.

Armor for warriors is not cheap after 25, with some exeptions.

And ranger isn't that easy as you war-fanboy thinks, it' takes more then a provoke here and then to screw up your pld hatemanagement I kick a war or /war who screws up the hatemanagement.

I said I'd rather have a war on my team, how does that make me a "war-fanboy"? Please use more commas and periods please. The transition from "hatemanagement" to- "I kick a war" is made with no punctuation. Therefor you stink and your parents beat you. Your arguement sucks and only makes me dislike ranger more.

since ranger hasn't that much def and can get ripped fast.

So stay in the background and shut up. Learn how to use proper grammer while your at it.

And a War isn't a top DD, it's medicore. Also i would take a THF, BLM, RNG, DRK, SAM, SNM before i take a MNK,WAR,BST, DRG. Unless the job is allready in my party. All i need is a tank (pld, nin or war/nin) and a /war for the Hatemanagement.

You're an idiot. Samurai are useless in every party, it doesn't take a whole new class just to skill chain. Summoner sucks, nuff said. I agree about the others though, but you fucked your arguement by throwing thief in there, idiot. MNK, WAR, and DRG can do alot more for a party than a ranger can. You may out damage them some of the time, but if the hate gets wild, you need all the provokes you can get to keep it still.

My milkshake > yours.

[Elsurion]

Originally posted by ddg
1. Armor for warriors is not cheap after 25, with some exeptions.


2. I said I'd rather have a war on my team, how does that make me a "war-fanboy"? Please use more commas and periods please. The transition from "hatemanagement" to- "I kick a war" is made with no punctuation. Therefor you stink and your parents beat you. Your arguement sucks and only makes me dislike ranger more.

3. So stay in the background and shut up. Learn how to use proper grammer while your at it.

4. You're an idiot. Samurai are useless in every party, it doesn't take a whole new class just to skill chain. Summoner sucks, nuff said. I agree about the others though, but you fucked your arguement by throwing thief in there, idiot. MNK, WAR, and DRG can do alot more for a party than a ranger can. You may out damage them some of the time, but if the hate gets wild, you need all the provokes you can get to keep it still.

5. My milkshake > yours.

1. Lol, the Chain Suit is lv24, and that one is cheap. This 35k to 40k is very cheap, also you get every single gil back when you sell it a bit higher. I did this 3times so far.

2. All your answers are like war is the only good Job in the game, all other jobs stinks. And i will still kick a war or /war who screws the hatemanagement between the tank and the thf or /thf. Since unneded provokes are not needed.

3. You really know what a Ranger does and where he stays, do you.

4. So i doubt you ever played this game, since you say Samurai stinks and does nothing. Samurai is the best TP generator Job in the whole game, not even Ranger can cope with a SAM in this department.
And you wanna do as many Skillchains in a fight as you can do. Samurai is a good SC Starter for Distortion linked with a SATA+Viper Bite. This combo does around 1k DMG raw and another 1k DMG with a MB. This one is loved midgames.
Also a THF does more DMG then a DRG can do, THF might do his High DMG every minute, but try and beat up to 1k raw DMG from a THF with a DRG in the samefight and time.
As for the records, THF does normaly 1st or 2nd most DMG in a Fight up to 55 (I don't know how it will go further up). He needs that to place the hate on the tank, the mob won't go wild if you play your part in the party, and for that is a THF needed, otherway the mob will wander

SMN sucks, ok you didn't played with one i asume. Otherwhise you would know what they can do. Hmm, Stoneskinga, Blinkga, other nice -ga eveything useless.


And sure a MNK, WAR and DRG can do more DMG then a RNG, go dream on. I always outdmg every other DD Job when i play Ranger except a proper played THF, then i'm even with him.

5. And yes? What will you say here?

[neighbortaru]

dude! hate management is two words not one. stop putting them together. thank you.

as for WAR not being a DD, I'm afraid I have to disagree. If outfitted appropriately WARs play very well in the DD department (there's a HUGE thread about this started by the infamous MeleeFighter).

ddg, you sure have some warped ideas about this game. read the strategy guide much?

[Elsurion]

I didn't say they aren't but they are not the best, they are medicore.

[Cali]

Someone explain wtf is this post about?

It's a month old(this thread)... and we somehow turned the subject to 'whether or not a WAR can pwnz the world with their almighty Great Axe'

1st off, yes it's wrong for Voila to come up in a WAR forum, and started flaming about no one knows how to SATA. It's not always the WAR's fault to start with. I have seen SMN standing at my SATA slave spot for some god damn reason, I think it was because he casted the almight group haste, so he needed to REST. To be exact, everyone made the same mistake, tanks like to dance around, non-SATA slave likes to stand at the spot for no reason...

Then, ddg, calm the hell down, will you? For a fact, WAR's DD ability is well below a DRK, MNK, and your hated RNG. WAR is about flexibility, you can invite a WAR for tank, or a DD... as a DD, WAR is useful for their ability to wield multiple weapons at B rank+, as for damage dealing though, WAR isn't that much special compare to a 1400+ Sidewinder, 5 hits all the time MNK, etc

DD isn't all about KILLING the monster, it's about what you can offer to the party, that's why a PT consist of Tank, DD, Healer and Nuker(Teamwork, Do you have it?). I personally would group WAR and SAM in the same category, which is the skillchain man: SAM has fast TP gain, and WAR has a lot of weapon to choose from.(Don't tell me your war only use 1 weapon now lol)

[Gumbercules]

I'm a DRK and I can safely tell you WAR is a much better DD for a large portion of the game, mainly until we get to L3 SC.

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Elsurion
Ok, which drug didn't you take?

To clarify, war is the easyiest job in the game. I never had leveled a job that fast as i did with war. In the Money department. Armor and 1H Axes and 2H Axes are cheap.

And ranger isn't that easy as you war-fanboy thinks, it' takes more then a provoke here and then to screw up your pld hatemanagement I kick a war or /war who screws up the hatemanagement.

Ranger costs a shitload of money, like a nin. Also you have to pay close attention what is the actual hatebalance, since ranger hasn't that much def and can get ripped fast.

And a War isn't a top DD, it's medicore. Also i would take a THF, BLM, RNG, DRK, SAM, SNM before i take a MNK,WAR,BST, DRG. Unless the job is allready in my party. All i need is a tank (pld, nin or war/nin) and a /war for the Hatemanagement.

War is easy? you seem to think fast exp is easy exp, tell that to your neighbourhood ninja or ranger.

As for war being cheap *_*
let me know when woodsville and juggernaut, haubergeon, sniper rings, are cheap! and thats not even a full list of endgame war equipment.

As for it being easy? no, war is frequently sata bitch or doing sata themselves, there are no WTFBBQPOPCORN jobs when they are played correctly by a reasonably able player.

As for mnk and war on your "only if nothing else" list ~_~

mnk and war are two of the best DD's in the game.

Rampage, which wars get at 55, can top 1k damage, sure you won't see a 1.2k-1.4k rampage ending a light SC, but wars get tp at least 50% quicker than a dark knight, even with comparable equipment.

Not only that, but a good war will always outdamage a good dark or monk ( comparable skill, and eq ), and added to parser logs is damage enhanced by warcry for other members and also any breaks the war uses.


Before your level 55 ass tries shouting me down, check out my job levels and think that maybe, just maybe seeing as you havn't even got 1/2 the exp for one job to 75, let alone nearly three and then add another 100k in merit point exp, you will realise I speak from long hard experience.

I used to have a shitty attitude towards war also but after log parsing hundreds of battles and dozens of exp parties I know differently, and my attitude towards a lot of other jobs has shifted as well.


As for the moron who said summoner sucks *_*
the most boring job in the game, yes.
Sucks? hell no.

Summoner is one of the best jobs to have at endgame, its just getting there thats painful.

[Unholy Prince]

So many misconceptions put into this thread.

First of all, Voila, whos already shown the type of person he is on another thread on this board, comes and starts this, for no real reason.

To the guys who said Sam, drk, and smn before war and mnk, um, have you seen any mnk or war dps after 55? Rampage makes wars own, they are top DDs in the game, Mnk have the best DPS in the game. Drk are the "mediocre" DDs until 65 and 66 where they get their great power, Cross Reaper and Spinning Slash. Smn is usually a healer in a pt, great DD vs HNMs and stuff,but.. they don't replace a DD. Sam? Great for 2 renkei parties, but otherwise, terrible DPS, terrible damage. Drg who you said you wouldn't take, do more damage then Sam. Any TP gain? a good thf, war, or mnk can gain enough tp to SC every fight with a Rng. So what you can't go the second you hit 100%, half your WSs miss at 100% TP anyways.

War easiest job? Having to know how to do two jobs, to be flexible, to change your role at the blink of an eye? I wouldn't call that easy. No job is "easy". If its easy then your not playing to the best of your abilities.

War isn't more expensive then rng or nin in the melee department, but haveing to hold 2 sets of gear isn't cheap. Factor in Snipers, haubergeon for the DD factor alone, and thats a lot. Then add a tank suit, and gear to lvl 3 Subjobs...

I don't want to offend anyone, and please don't take this the wrong way, but it really does irk me when lowbies come on and tell the end gamers what to do or how to do it, or act like they know more then people who've experienced the game. At least do your research a little more before saying such things.:spin: