3/10 patch changes to scholar

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Verified Sublimation doesn't affect Ballad, on both RDM75/SCH37 and SCH43/DNC1. No access to COR for Evoker's Roll, so someone else do that. =b

[Coinspinner]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Ouch, I find Refresh is much more common than Ballad and Evokers.

[JTF-Taru]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Now I'm wondering about DRG/SCH... it could have basically infinite endurance even without sanction/sigil refresh.

Does /SCH give you a healing wyvern?

JTF

[Neomage]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

I was all for a boost to SCH, but this is a little to much. Tier IV Nukes, at more or less the same level as BLM? Add in Ebullience and your already nearing the damage of Burst II, with a much lower MP cost and cast time. Add in Sleep and Dispel, with Erase, -Nas, and Re/Raise II only a stratagem away, and the faster charge time...

I just think this is overdoing it. SCH/WHM can now out-damage a BLM/WHM without Merits. Now, if SCH got these abilities FROM merits, that would be a different story... But this...

The only real way I see to fix this is to make it cost one stratagem per spell, not to unlock a whole new set with unlimited use. Most jobs need to sub a certain job to get access to these spells, some of which are never even available subbed(IV, Raise II), but SCH can just get them with a simple stratagem switch.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Ouch, I find Refresh is much more common than Ballad and Evokers.

Well, considering Refresh doesn't stack with it, why would you use Sublimation if a RDM was already refreshing you? Plus, here's a mage RDM actually can put lower on a refresh cycle without getting barked at.

At any rate, not all jobs have compatible abilities, here's just another instance where that's the case. RDM can't stack their enfeebles with NINs, COR can't affect BLU's enfeebling magic. We already have several forms of refresh that stack.

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And I must say, this update opened up quite a few more subjobs for SCH to play with. With them no longer being fully dependant on /WHM, /BLM or /RDM, but now can also play with /DRK, /BLU, /SMN and /BRD a bit more easily.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Holy cow, it's true. >_<

Sublimation removes Refresh and prevents Refresh from being casted on the player.

"One less mouth to feed."

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Just to point out, it seems with the AF head, Sublimation would reach the same level of effect as Refresh. If I'm not mistaken, Refresh goes to a max of 150 MP. The max effect for Sublimation before AF is 136, stands to reason the hat would cap it out at 150, right?

[Saren]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Just to point out, it seems with the AF head, Sublimation would reach the same level of effect as Refresh. If I'm not mistaken, Refresh goes to a max of 150 MP. The max effect for Sublimation before AF is 136, stands to reason the hat would cap it out at 150, right?

Huh? I could be wrong but I think you're mistaken. Sublimation seems to be based off your maximum HP (Gobo's earlier post and my slightly botched one) so no hard cap if thats what you mean by max effect?

Edit: Itazuras post too, sorry Itazura

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

The max effect for Sublimation before AF is 136,

Seem my test results posted previously; 140 MP on naked SCH43/DNC1. The max is definitely not 136.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Seem my test results posted previously; 140 MP on naked SCH43/DNC1. The max is definitely not 136.

Caps at 136 every time for me, I'm level 50SCH/25RDM.

[Zempten]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

caps at 256 for me, 75 SCH

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

It is possible that its also affected by level and HP or some other factor

[pixiehawk]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

I'm confused about the new spells... I thought they only appeared if you had the Light arts active and used the new job ability. However when I change to my SCH (level 10) with a non-mage sub (THF) I have poisona, without using either Light Arts or the new ability.




edit*** never mind, you have in on your spell list, you just can't use it unless the ability is active.

[Malacite]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

Sublimation by default is 25% of your max HP. See SCH update thread.

[MrMageo]

Re: 3/10 patch changes to scholar

hmmm everyone /sch and everyone /sam what a glorious world, finally i dont need to refresh haste whore out the wazoo, oh wait sch can main heal enfeeble nuke and aoe buff. Guess im out of a job ; ; SCH here i come.