*screams!*

[NeoSuplex]

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I'm actually suprised at some of these responses... It seems that Red Mage really has become just about 'Dispensing Refreshes and Dispels' to a large majority of Red Mages.

The way I see it, beating maat is damn nessisary if you want to consider yourself a skilled Red Mage. Any fool can write a macro for RDM that just 'dispenses' Refreshes and Hastes. But being a Red Mage gives you access to more than three spells. Most of them could make a huge impact on the party's performance if used properly. Knowing when to use what and being able to decide this in a instant is what Red Mage is all about. The Maat fight is no diffrent, you need to have a plan, exucute it, and be ready for any inconvieniences. Just because there isn't anyone to Refresh during the fight makes no diffrence.

So yeah, getting someone to do it for you makes you sub par. It means you couldn't deal with the challenge. That is EXACTLY what makes the diffrence between the half asleep Refresh bot RDM and the RDM who made a bigger impact than cooking skill would have.

[Omni]

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I don't think Omni is trying to "cheapen that accomplishment" of any rdm. What he is saying is that the people claiming that a rdm HAS to beat Maat or they are not a very good party rdm are incorrect. That your solo abilities have little to do with your ability to be a benefit to your party.

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one with any sort of logic. QFT QFT QFT QFT QFT

I'm actually suprised at some of these responses... It seems that Red Mage really has become just about 'Dispensing Refreshes and Dispels' to a large majority of Red Mages.

The way I see it, beating maat is damn nessisary if you want to consider yourself a skilled Red Mage. Any fool can write a macro for RDM that just 'dispenses' Refreshes and Hastes. But being a Red Mage gives you access to more than three spells. Most of them could make a huge impact on the party's performance if used properly. Knowing when to use what and being able to decide this in a instant is what Red Mage is all about. The Maat fight is no diffrent, you need to have a plan, exucute it, and be ready for any inconvieniences. Just because there isn't anyone to Refresh during the fight makes no diffrence.

So yeah, getting someone to do it for you makes you sub par. It means you couldn't deal with the challenge. That is EXACTLY what makes the diffrence between the half asleep Refresh bot RDM and the RDM who made a bigger impact than cooking skill would have.

And following a guide online that tells you to buff, dispel, spam aero III, sleep, convert makes you any more skilled than the next guy? I'd give this whole argument credit if Maat's behavior was vastly different from fight to fight but the fact is, it isnt. I'd give you even more credit if someone melee'd maat to death and didnt use the aero III method, now THAT is a real testiment to the power of the rdm. how many of you can say you didnt use the spam aero III method?

For the love of everything sane... I am not cheapening anything, slapping anyone, pissing on graves, kicking someones puppy, etc. Please use some logic and reason with me here. I know plenty of rdm that have beaten maat that are shitty ones, and vice versa. The fact is, if you beat maat, you are not necessarily better than a rdm that didnt. That's all im saying. Stop putting words in my mouth that I kicked your pregnant mother or something totally off base. If you cant understand that defeating Maat is NOT a pre-requesite of a great rdm then there is no point in trying to reason with you guys.



Stop right there. before you go off on how i just slapped you in the face again, i'll repeat myself for clarity. beating maat does not make you a great rdm. whoever, for those that have beat maat, you are more likely to be a better rdm b/c you put the time and effort into taking maat on. the two are just not mutualy exclusive to each other.

[Fynlar]

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I'm actually suprised at some of these responses... It seems that Red Mage really has become just about 'Dispensing Refreshes and Dispels' to a large majority of Red Mages.

The way I see it, beating maat is damn nessisary if you want to consider yourself a skilled Red Mage. Any fool can write a macro for RDM that just 'dispenses' Refreshes and Hastes. But being a Red Mage gives you access to more than three spells. Most of them could make a huge impact on the party's performance if used properly. Knowing when to use what and being able to decide this in a instant is what Red Mage is all about. The Maat fight is no diffrent, you need to have a plan, exucute it, and be ready for any inconvieniences. Just because there isn't anyone to Refresh during the fight makes no diffrence.

That's not what I said at all.

RDM is also about enfeebles, but you don't do any of those in this fight besides Sleep and Bind, because you don't fight him straight up and most of the time he's not doing anything at all (meaning most of your enfeebles are doing nothing). RDMs don't main/backup heal for a party in this fight because there's no party to heal. RDMs don't melee in this fight because, not only are most of them trained not to melee in parties; if he decides to Asuran Fists spam, you have no chance to survive (make your time). So how exactly is this fight helping RDMs perform better with groups (because nobody gives a damn what they do on their own time)?

Simply put, a lot of what RDM does in this fight is nothing that would be applied to party situations, it's simply trying to sleepnuke a different version of Ruby Quadav that has higher resistance, less HP, and more devastating attacks that he may or may not use. The procedure isn't all that different. Only difference is that if Maat wants to make you lose, he's quite capable of doing it.

So yeah, getting someone to do it for you makes you sub par. It means you couldn't deal with the challenge. That is EXACTLY what makes the diffrence between the half asleep Refresh bot RDM and the RDM who made a bigger impact than cooking skill would have.

Yeah, if you consider a primarily luck-based fight a challenge...

[Aeni]

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RDMs don't melee in this fight because, not only are most of them trained not to melee in parties; if he decides to Asuran Fists spam, you have no chance to survive (make your time).

I'd like to see ApplePie go straight melee on Maat.

[Taskmage]

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I'd like to see ApplePie go straight melee on Maat.

I'm pretty sure he did. It was at level 75, I think, but there's a vid floating around somewhere.

In my opinion, the game is not worth playing if you don't earn your rewards. In some cases, like the item farming Genkai, the tests are set up in a way that allows other players to help you. If you get a level 75 friend to do it for you, that requires much less skill, but still at least requires you make social connections which is part of the game as well. In the case of the G5 fight, the test is specifically designed to preclude intervention from other players. You have to do it on your own, by knowing your job inside and out, knowing what tools you have in case things go wrong, and keeping a cool head to maximize your chance of success. If you're not willing to do that, then imo you're not here to play the game.

Breaking the ToS is obviously not a valid way to play the game, and sharing your account info or logging in with another player's account is against the ToS.

[Hamlet]

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Beating Maat isn't going to give you any kind of useful experience. It is a polar opposite fight compared to what rdms normally do in groups, and even for solo fight experience, you don't often fight a rdm type mob with asuran fists.

I don't think you should be upset at the person, but at the same time I really don't understand why you'd want someone doing maat for you. Maat is a big milestone, especially rdm maat, whom most consider to be the hardest. Why would someone want someone else to beat Maat? I mean, you couldn't even tell Maat war stories afterwards.

I'm 0/3 on Maat so far and each fight was fun and when I finally beat him I'll feel like I actually accomplished something.

[LoneGamer]

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Grendal did go toe to toe with Maat, and won. Of course, this is back when one shadow of Blink absorbed all eight hits of Asuran Fists. And that's exactly what happened. I'm not sure if he could win against Maat again.

[Fynlar]

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Grendal did go toe to toe with Maat, and won. Of course, this is back when one shadow of Blink absorbed all eight hits of Asuran Fists. And that's exactly what happened. I'm not sure if he could win against Maat again.

Yeah, you can still win that way I'm sure, I was just stating the reason why most choose not to go that route. You can still win with luck, you'll just need more of it because you're leaving yourself that much more open to a pasting from Asuran Fists.

Plus you'd probably want a Joyeuse, and that's not an option open to every 70RDM out there trying to pass Genkai 5 o_O

[Macht]

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Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one with any sort of logic. QFT QFT QFT QFT QFT

Lol, you weren't the only one Omni. On the first page a few were making the same reasoning as you were, myself included.

[Omni]

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yea i think i got clotheslined by the barrage of nonsense in the last page and forgot about the earlier posts. my apologies.

[Patchinko]

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Hmm... I wonder what the minimum level for RDM to beat Maat is.

Hmm...

[Jei]

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We get Aeor III at level 69. That's probably the lowest level we should attemp Maat.
Water III is level 67, not sure how much we can rely on this spell.

[Fynlar]

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Hmm... I wonder what the minimum level for RDM to beat Maat is.

Hmm...

He's been beaten at 66, which is the lowest level you're permitted to enter the fight as.

[LoneGamer]

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If I had better luck with my Sleeps, I think I could have won at 67. I ended up winning at 69 though.

[Patchinko]

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He's been beaten at 66, which is the lowest level you're permitted to enter the fight as.

Video of this fight?