RDM vs. BRD post 55 (i hope we win)

[COWTIPPA]

Deodorant I don't mean it that people don't want to PT with RDM...read it carefully please. I'm saying after 50plus we need more spells to make us stand out and something that belongs to RDM alone.

I also didn't say people didn't want to PT with RDM and bard. I'm just saying RDM need to be improved. RDM is not even close to what they we're from FFI. Thats what I mean as RDM has turn into a joke. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY.

[Kiyosuki]

Yeah its understandable. But its also an age old gripe. Its like when people complain about a fighting game character not having the exact same moves it had in a previous installment, or the same fighting style. Or even better, its like how some complained at first about Fox fighting outside of an Arwing in Smash Brothers, since it wasn't close to the game. But since its a completely different style of game, it wouldn't of worked.
Things change from game to game, or change to fit a new style of gameplay.

Red Mages may not play like they do in FF1, or even FFTA. But so many other jobs play differently than past installments too. Cecil as a Paladin was a hardcore damage dealer type who happened to be able to cover. The total opposite of how Paladins are now. Even in FFTA where Paladin's were a defensive class, they had some moves that allowed them to do great damage at various points. Ninja's are probably the best example. It still takes people by surprise when someone tells a new player that Ninja's are considered a tank class. In other FF game a Ninja's tend to be very offensive characters with a variety of enfeebles to cripple, especially in the Tactics series,aside from Edge and Yuffie, who were more indirect and didn't have the best offense, a concept I guess they hybrided with a similar play style to FFTA's Ninja minus the insane offense for this game. And Ranger's, having Bows and Arrows, as well as Gun's outdamage Swords and other melee weapons in an FF game is certainly a first (Even though its realistically more plausible. But this is FF, who cares of total realism.) Really in this game, the only character's that are relatively unchanged in playing style from most FF games are White Mage, Black Mage, and Monk. White Magic and Black magic, speaks for itself. And something that just hits alot, and hits more and more as it gets higher. And even the White magic and Black magic differ a bit from some FF games.

So I guess if someone likes the playing style of a class in this game better in another game, naturally you'll wish it was more like that. But well you know, stuff changes from game to game.

Besides, Red Mages have the most unique job abilities and exclusive spells out of all the mages. None of the other mages get nearly the same luxuries a Red Mage gets in job abilities and the few exclusive spells you do have are almost always very, very useful. I personally don't see how much more defined Red Mages need to be. New spells is always good but they're already pretty individually unique to me.

[Kxpuc]

pretty much the only thing i want added for now atleast for rdm's is to get regen 2 make Clear mind stack from sub jobs and enfeebling seal that either doubles the enfeeble damage (dia/bio/poison) /activation rate(paralyze) /efffiveness (slow)
oh and maybe a natural glow hehe

[macross_sdf1]

Bards will get invites over you yes. But Not as many bards, cause bards suck for soloing. Level one up if you want to get to 75 easy or if you wanna feel wanted. You'll get to 75 but you can't solo mobs as well as a rdm for gils etc. Stoneskin phallanx is quite uber for farming, and your bard gets nothing like this. Red mages are strong, its why maat is so frigging hard and had to be gimpfied last patch.

But anyways, you still won't have a problem getting a group. Who cares if bard is chosen over you. I never turned on lfg after lvl 41, and I still got tons of invites. Hardly any NA players play rdm or bard, so you are in high demand. Everyone wants to be the super fighter guy. On the day of ps2 release, who all 1-2 and I saw that 90% are fighters hehe. Heck I've seen a 75 red mage with no subjob, cause refresh is better than no refresh.

Best groups have both a bard and rdm anyways. Usualy wont need whm, but at certain lvls you do, when the best stuff to kill are cockatrice etc. Also raise 2-3 is nice, but usualy you can just bum one off another whm in the zone.

[Synbios]

Originally posted by macross_sdf1

Best groups have both a bard and rdm anyways. Usualy wont need whm, but at certain lvls you do, when the best stuff to kill are cockatrice etc. Also raise 2-3 is nice, but usualy you can just bum one off another whm in the zone.

Well said.

[maytrix]

RDM vs. BRD? A red mage would fuck a bard up. In a fight that is.

[Peanut_Midgard]

Have BRD leveled up and offer it as a subjob if the party already has a BLM and a WHM. It works wonder post 50. Yes I have tried it and will continue to leave that as an option for xp parties with the right setup. Even gimped madrigal was a big help to the melees. I know because once I was RDM/BRD in a party with BLM and WHM, during one particularly long fight madrigal wore off before fight ended the melee immediately noticed accuracy difference.

Have three subs to offer, BLM, WHM and BRD. Red Mage is about versatility right? So this just further extends our role in party

[Patchinko]

Ballista makes this thread obsolete. *^-^*