Rdm/war

[broberts]

Here is an idea....if you wanted to do more damg....why dont you go with WAR/RDM....you will do alote more dmg....and wont have as much enfebling.....

[EFigaro]

Because you gain no benefit from subbing a Mage with a Melee. To few MP to actually do anything where as with Monk sub you get boost, Thief sub you get Sneak Attack, or Samurai where you get Meditate. With Rdm sub you get.....well, a few cure spells.

Best to do what's been suggested. Become a Dark so you can attack and cast a few spells.

[Jei]

Rdm/War is great, for helping low levels doing whatever they need.

Rdm is a very strong tank VS weak monsters and below. Feel free to tank and attack, your skill is enough to hit and do decent damage. your phalanx will keep you alive for a long time.

Rdm is a piece of paper VS Tough monsters and above. You won't land any hits, you can't gain any TP because you'll have to sit, and you'll get hit very very hard.

[TMPikachu]

Originally posted by Jei
Rdm/War is great, for helping low levels doing whatever they need.

Rdm is a very strong tank VS weak monsters and below. Feel free to tank and attack, your skill is enough to hit and do decent damage. your phalanx will keep you alive for a long time.

Rdm is a piece of paper VS Tough monsters and above. You won't land any hits, you can't gain any TP because you'll have to sit, and you'll get hit very very hard.

after a nice slew of gravity/slow/blind/paralyze/dia/poison things get easier to kill.

from what I know, Rdm/thf's one of the most efficient solo machines, you'll just outlast easy prey... easily

[thuriz_k]

People have suggested that becoming a DRK/RDM would be a good idea to enhance the blmagic that drk's get, and to enhance the weak melee of a rdm.

People on high levels with alot of in-game experience say that DRK/RDM can workout, and that people enjoy partying with a competent dkr/rdm, who can apply his magic well, and keep hate and etc.

What are your opinions? (sorry this is in the rdm/war topic, but i didnt feel the need on starting a new one. )

[Apple Pie]

Hmmm, I've never seen DRK/RDM at LV60s on my server whenever I search for them while I sometimes find tarutaru dark knights with WHM sub...

I invited one of them once because he wrote "I'll be in charge of a sub-healer, too" on his comment. He wore a lot of expensive gears and actually did great. He did Guillotine, MB with Aero II, and back-up healing. I kept refreshing him and I didn't have to cast any cure spells at all.

However, the mainstream is subbing either SAM, THF, or WAR and if you want to be a good damage dealer, I also recommend one of these.

[Silverquick]

Originally posted by Apple Pie
I sometimes find tarutaru dark knights with WHM sub...

I invited one of them once because he wrote "I'll be in charge of a sub-healer, too" on his comment. He wore a lot of expensive gears and actually did great. He did Guillotine, MB with Aero II, and back-up healing. I kept refreshing him and I didn't have to cast any cure spells at all.

I have a funny story about that.

I once grouped with a Taru Drk/Blm who came an aweful lot closer to outnuking me than I'd like to admit. He couldn't take a hit at all though and was like a wet paper bag as far as getting beat on, but he could definitely dish out both spell damage and melee damage.

[Areriye]

I didn't read the entirety of the thread, but I find it rather disappointing. Square desperately needs to adjust red mage, in my opinion. "Well, it's a mage, not a warrior." But they use swords... and if anyone knows what a classical warlock is (look at the name on the red mage AF gear), they'd know a red mage should have SOME melee ability.

I wanted to try out red mage someday (though my main gig is ranger/thief), but if they are expected to sit in the back and not melee... what kinda fun is that? :dead:

I think Mithra would do fairly well at red mage/[choose your own melee class], particularly ninja. I mean, look at the stats on their RSE gear... it seems to be more inclined towards making the kitties good dark knights or red mages.

I dunno... it also seems to me the game is largely populated by nubs who don't understand how main/subs work and follow some general rules like sheep. If they have it engrained in them that red mages can't melee, why, oh why, can't they learn that WAR/WHM SUCKS?! :confused:

[Shiia]

To above poster. I bet they think since it was a good combo soloing, it is a good combo for a party aswell. Which in most cases it isnt :sweat:

[TMPikachu]

lvl1-20 it works great

20-30 it begins to show weakness.

[neighbortaru]

@Areriye (and others):
RDM does have SOME melee ability, compared to a WHM or BLM. But you will never compare to a dedicated melee job. As Jei said, you will do fine with decent or lower mobs, but you'll have a pretty hard time on the tougher mobs.

As much as you want the RDM to be a good melee & caster type (i wonder if this comes from some kinda munchkin mentality), that's just not how the job was designed. There are other jobs that can fill this role better (i personally NIN fits this to a T).

@ppl who say job/sub combos are cookie-cutter/2D:
That's not the issue at all. The job/sub combos ppl are recommending are the combos that they have found, from experience, to be the most EFFICIENT. If you don't want to follow the recommendations, fine. You won't be as efficient in some other ppls eyes, thus they won't invite/join you as often, but have fun with it. Just don't come back and complain/rant about it. please.

[Azael]

RDM's are already powerful enough as it is. We are possible the only viable solo class that is still a quinticential group member post 40, we have an awesome spell repetoir (considering u sub mage) we have great exclusive spells. We literally have the best of a lot of jobs, we need to appreciate what we have and stop demanding more, any more, and we would be too powerful. The last thing we need is more RDM Nerfs.


The best way to sum up this thread is, that if ur dying to do rdm/ melee, go ahead, but know that you won't be as effective as a /mage. If you aren't content with that then go DRK or PLD, they are the opposite side of the spectrum, melee first mage second. Thats really what they're there for

[TMPikachu]

howabout rdm/drk?

You get a wider range of spells (aspir/drain at an earlier level than blm!)
a bit of MP
and ATT I, II, plus last resort

[Weezingpipes]

You really don't want to be a Red M A G E at all do you? ;p

[TMPikachu]

Dark K N I G H T S use magic

oh no, they're not knights! that's wrong! There's something wrong! Knights are using magics!