Which is the best sub??

[Magus401]

After lookin through these forums, i can't decide what sub to use! What should i use? Im a Tarutaru (yes a tarutaru ^^, please dont try to stop mee from being a ranger). So what should my sub be? :confused:

[Bilus]

hi

please read this thread

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=17917



also want too say something my self

there is really 2 choiced of subs,

war and nin.

i have both, i choose one depending on PT config, when there is a war tank or a nin tank, i choose nin sub. else pld i have war.

why?

because war and nin cannot generate hate enough, nin will cut down the dmg and blink can save my ass in certian situations

poor english

i hope yuo undesratand

bye^_^

[Peppara]

SAM is a good sub it helps you get TP faster and atk dmg I believe. However you will be all atk and no defense so you really need a good pld I hear.

[JexIntrepid]

Since rngs do so much uber dmg, and often draw hate, would
/monk be a viable combo?

The point is, you wouldn't need to provoke, it's usually not that great idea for a rng to tank, but since you probably draw aggro alot, the extra HP from /mnk, and counter, dodge, etc would help out. Plus you can use boost before barrage and ws, and you can use focus at lvl 50rng/mnk.

Anyone ever tried this?

Plz don't flame, i just want to know if there are possible reasons for this, as it wouldn't be all offensive, but defensive (evasive) as well.

[Bamce Sylph]

unofrutnally the "defensiveness" of monk is crap, who needs coutner and extra hps when u can blink from ninja's ? ninja also lets u dw the ever so popular archer's knives. thus making it a better sub for ranger than monk could be,

[FeralisCallidus]

In the ideal PT configuration, /war is the best option. Then /sam (post 60/65~), then NIN.

NIN is more of a failsafe for garbage PTs. In a good PT you will rarely draw hate, so Utsusemi is worthless.

In a good PT the +10 rng acc ==REALLY== won't make a difference compared to the damage from Berserk, Warcy, Attack+ Passive Ability, Meditate or Store TP.

[JexIntrepid]

it comes to my understanding that ninja is probably a better subjob once you have blink which means your rng would have ot be lvl 74?

Before that, you also have to consider that both ninja and rng jobs are extremely expensive, so unless you know to farm on a regular basis, wouldn't /mnk be still good up until i guess lvl 74?

i'm asking because, i feel as though rngs do already good dmg, and alot of them DO sub nin, yet their dmg is still uber, w/o war, so by subbing /mnk they'd still do good dmg, benefit from a good defensive traits when they draw aggro a few times + focus for good acc?

any thoughts?

[Kerberos]

Ninja get Utsuemi: Ichi at level 12. Boost doesn't affect Ranged Attack and its questionable if Focus affects Ranged Accuracy. Counter doesn't really activate enough to be considered a viable defensive ability. With /war you get Defender at level 50 Ranger which if probably superior if you're that worried about taking hits.

[John Doe III]

Can you sub Dark Knight from like level 30 to 40? Becuase you can use that level 15 ability with your bow but not the 30...

[wcloudx]

Hmmm lets see.........

Based on my past experience and by observing other people's rangers atleast 70% of them use Ninja as their subjob. That is also will be my best choice if i play ranger.

I think it's because of Ninja's "Dual Weild" ability. It allows you to equip 2 "Archer's Dagger". This will definately increase your range accuracy and the "Utsusemi" ability helps a lot if u received damage.........atleast it can keeps u survive.

And some of them do use Thief as their subjob....I dont know why.Maybe to increase their agility...or maybe for the "Sneak Attack". but i recommend Rng/Nin=P~

Name:Kumo
World:Odin
Jobs:DRG 49/BLM 33/WAR 29/WHM 20

[cesaro]

So far in my leveling experiences in my static party from 40-59 (WHM, PLD, DRG, DRK, RNG, RDM), I really haven't felt the need to use a /NIN sub.

The Paladin has "Cover" for every other skillchain, and at 60 DRK's get Trick attack, so hate control is managed a little better. This is assumed...Still have 4k -> 60 :angel:

From my experiences:
-/NIN: Use if you have a sub-par PLD, or NIN tank who cant keep hate.
-/WAR: Most all around usefulness, use with caution unless the PLD gets off a 300% Spirit's Within (lv 55?).
-/SAM: No experience with /SAM, although I always see a couple lv75 rangers with SAM sub.
-/THF: Utterly, utterly useless (beside farming).

I've never seen a RNG/MNK, nor a RNG/DRK. I'd guess that (on Valefor, exp'ing RNG's) 45% /WAR, 45% /NIN, 10% /THF, 0-1% /SAM.

[Kerberos]

Originally posted by John Doe III
Can you sub Dark Knight from like level 30 to 40? Becuase you can use that level 15 ability with your bow but not the 30...

It might be something novel to try. Admittedly at that point /war gets Berserk so I'm not really sure which would be better between Berserk and Last Resort.

[Cometgreen]

I'd like to apologize to Magus401, as everyone seems to just have overlooked the actual question.

Since you are a taru, I would suggest a /war sub to counteract your low strength. All though the extra agility and ranged accuracy are nice, you should all ready have great agility, so I would just worry about your damage.

And to clear some things up:

1) Ninja gives the highest agi boost, not thf (I still don't know why some rng only sub thf...)
2) Dual wield not only gives you +10.5 ranged accuracy (which really helps, believe me), it will also help with your tp.
3) From what I've heard, SAM is really only a good sub for rng lvl 60+. Before then, /war and /nin are much better choices.

Cometgreen

[FeralisCallidus]

1) Ninja gives the highest agi boost, not thf (I still don't know why some rng only sub thf...)

Bullshit. At level 55, my NIN and WAR subjobs both give me the same Agility boost [Although, WAR gives me 2 more STR ]

[Peppara]

The Bullshit Comment was un-necessary.....


Its suprising that you say NIN and War have same AGI at your level...they should be different. Maybe its because you're an elvaan which has lower agi as it is.


It seems to me that each sub job has there purpose and advantages for certain races and situations. So far it seems NIN is a great over all sub job because of the utsemi ichi and dual wield of archer knives and agi and dex bonuses. SAM seems good for higher level PTs because of the TP bonus for skill chains. WAR seems good for just doing raw damage.

Right now I am leveling RNG and NIN 10 / 10 its going very well