BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

[Djonma]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

At 75 pld is still the king of hate. nothing comes close with the amount of hate a pld can pile on at 75. Who knows what kind of /ja they have in store for pld with the job update. Be happy with your job else you'll never enjoy it.

Umm.. they already gave PLD's the new job stuff.
They're not getting anything else.

And yes, I said that blu/nin would be a better tank than pld not long after the new jobs came out.

As for level 75?
When they can do major DD spells, they can get hate easily.
Plus curing a lot.
I'm worried about it, I have been for a while. I think SE will have to (dare I say it) 'nerf' BLU soon.
it's just too powerful. It does all the other jobs better than they do themselves.
I don't know what a 75 BLU can really do, so I can't say for certain they'll be as good as a pld.
But Coccoon... level 8 or 12?
50% def bonus.
Recast of 30 secs I think, maybe a min.
Sentinel is NOWHERE near that good.
And they get Stoneskin really low...
It's just too much.

[Murphie]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

I haven't played BLU personally, but don't a lot of their spells have a major MP cost? I thought that alone would be enough of a reason to limit their uberness. But I dunno.

[Omni]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

Umm.. they already gave PLD's the new job stuff.
They're not getting anything else.

Umm... we dont know that yet. There's the major job update coming up for all jobs. There's also talk of Enrage from searching through .dat files. So actually, its still up in the air.


Cocoon is the only def. spell that is grossly unbalanced b/c its 50% at main and sub i believe. Stoneskin (metallic sheild) is a joke. And yes, they will most likely adjust blu. That's pretty obvious.

[Mhurron]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

I'm worried about it, I have been for a while. I think SE will have to (dare I say it) 'nerf' BLU soon.

Of course they will. All three jobs will get adjustments, and everyone should already know that. For all the planning that goes into making a new job type, they still can't plan for everything. However, you don't make a lot of changes all at once, and with changes to all the jobs on the way (except maybe PLD), they may wait to see how all the changes in total effect things before making a final decision. Remember that they are watching the new jobs and how they fit in with what is and what they know is coming, they're collecting data on how people use the new jobs to see what is and is not over powered.

Personally I think you shouldn't have guaranteed shadows as /NIN it should be more like Blink if you sub it.

[Corthaemus]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

About having stoneskin at a low level, I'm assuming you mean Metallic Body. It's not worth the 19mp. It takes very little damage before it is worn. Cocoon, however, is very powerful. It only costs 10mp, and gives 50% def for 2 minutes. I tanked through the Dunes and Qufim as /war, using Cocoon, Pollen, and DD spells to keep hate. Worked like a charm. Pollen cures more hp than Cure I, and for the same mp cost. BLU may be able to beat a pld in tanking abilities in the Dunes, but once pld gets Cure II, they are able to cure a larger amount of hp in one casting, and can be just as effective, if not more so, than a BLU at tanking. As for nerfing BLU, let's hope SE does not do it. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of playing watered-down jobs. As it is, I'd love to toss the designers off the edge of a cliff for what they've done with this game.

[little ninja]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

BLU/WAR does sick damage from his spell list, not to mention what they can do when they voke. seriously blu are prob the best tanks from 1-40 hands down. after 40 is something i can not base judgement off of. but considering my spamming rng hardly took hate. says enough for me.

honestly plds have a hard time holding hate thru these lvls, an nin are even worse. its not until utesusmi ni that a nin starts to become a better tank.

[Omni]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of playing watered-down jobs. As it is, I'd love to toss the designers off the edge of a cliff for what they've done with this game.

... but youre a 75blm... certainly not watered down...

balance is good for everyone. there should never be a catch all job out there. there has to be weaknesses and strengths for every job. that's what makes this game great. it forces you to cooperate. if there was a catch all job, it just turns the game into a 1 dimensional spam fest.

[Brothershadow]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

"But Coccoon... level 8 or 12?
50% def bonus.
Recast of 30 secs I think, maybe a min.
Sentinel is NOWHERE near that good.
And they get Stoneskin really low...
It's just too much."

Well to be honest us Blue can do a lot of things, but overpowered...no way.
Cocoon is nice no doubt, but duration isnt that long. Great when we're soloing.
Metallic Skin i.e, "Stonekin"? Solo wise I love it, but on a XP teams good for one hit
only. I'm not saying a Blu/Nin cant tank, it's just nowhere NEAR as easy as a PLD
or NIN, no way shape or form. It is great for giving the main tank a breath if needed. But then again there are many other Melees who can say the same.

[ValisOfValefor]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

Heh, seriously though, anyone who says a pld is useless should be shot (jk). Well my experience with blue on my pld was at lvl 42-43. The party was like this

Blu/nin 43 x2
Cor/nin 42
Whm/blm 42
Pld/war 42
Rdm/blm 43

Well it was actually quiet fun, the cor pulled, kept evoker roll on us all the time, then switched between corsair's, and hunter's. He kept on getting high rolls on evoker's so i was getting between 4-5 mp per second. As an Elvaan Pld that was awesome ; ; I could keep myself nearly self sufficient on healing, i kept hate like no one's business. We were chaining enemies so fast i think i got to lvl 44 in two hours (i usually dont get multiple level ups because my parties either move to slow, or i have to leaves because my brother wants to play).

(Edit: Forgot to say we were in the Gustav tunnel taking gobs, and flies)

The blu were awesome DD, they were scing, and mbing with themselves Doing awesome damage. The rdm was happy because he didnt have to refresh, and got to melee.

I love the new classes (except for the pup i havent even had a party with one of them yet ><). I believe we'll discover new ways to use them as we go on and updates give them more equipment, and perhaps change job abilities.

Every jobs good at something, but no job makes others useless

[Kirk]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

Ninja may steal the show for tanking through the levels, but for end game, PLD still ends up on top. I'm 75 nin/war and I end up being a melee more than tank for most things. So don't despair. PLD still best tank in the end.

[Icemage]

Re: BLU/NIN = PLD/WAR useless

To give some perspective on this, I've been partying with some BLU in the 60+ and 70+ range lately and they don't tank well at all. Lack of defensive skills, lack of stronger armor to boost with Coccoon, and no overpowering enmity generation moves than I can see without Sneak Attack (and if you're using Sneak Attack, you're not the one tanking ... QED).

Sure, BLU is a very competent tank up through the mid-50s, maaaaaybe early 60s with extremely good enmity gear setup, and yes, they're really amazing in the pre-40 range, but all the godliness fades fast once you start running into things that can actually hit hard and bleed your enmity down.


Icemage