subtle blow O.o

[Cloud Tiamat]

Maybe it increases Critical Hit rate.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by KamaAina
Here is hoping that it is some kind of - emnity trait.

If it is anyone want to volunteer to sub /sam and spam Asuran Fists to see how effective it is =).

You crazy? You want to totally screw ninja over? lol

[Dano]

i'll guess it's a -enimity trait, coz i draw aggro really bad by just swinging my fists (wif war sub that is) wif bard in a party i'm pretty much unstoppable, so it's really bad for the tanker

[JexIntrepid]

i'm pretty sure it's not an -enmity trait.

It's more likely going to be a critical attak, or a TP reduction passive.

In other words, when you do your 2 hits as a mnk or a ninja, the mob will occasionally NOT gain the TP they usually do.
It's not going to be an immediate - anything. Just that over time, the TP gained by the mob will be less cuz subtle blow kicked in a few times.

Either that or it's a version of a third attack which would make subbing other jobs like thf be a decent dmg dealing class since war's main uses as subs is berserk + double attack.
And for ninja's you can keep your /war for blink tank, but for those who want to do dmg, they could go /thf instead.

[Koyasha]

The possibility of it being an -Enmity trait is high, but there's a few things I wonder about. If it *is* an -Enmity trait, unless it's acquired at level 38 or higher, it would seem as if every other class can sub Monk/Ninja and get a hell of a lot less hate...which seems somewhat imbalancing. It would certainly usher in a hell of a lot of /Nin characters from any damage dealing class.. Dark Knight, Dragoon, Black Mage, etc would all benefit from a natural -Enmity on everything they do.

That was definitely my first thought, as I do think they plan to remove Ninja tanking. But after consideration of the subjob implications, I'm beginning to wonder. If it *is* -Enmity, I'd say it'll be 40, 41, or 45.

[JexIntrepid]

so that when they raise the lvl cap in the future ppl could exploit it then too?

[KamaAina]

The more people talk about the more I think it is probobly not - emnity .

It is probobly tp reduction (which is still good maybe now we will actually be wanted in HNM fights), or maybe something entirely different. -emnity is a pretty big deal I think..there isn't many equipment that gives it (AFs mostly).

[Redlimit]

If it was -enmity, it would have to be a 45 or even 50 trait at least to stop it from being exploitable.

50 is the first level a MNK will really start to want a -enmity trait anyway...

[KamaAina]

lol I always wanted - emnity.....


more HP + low defense = alot of mp trying to save me when I pull hate during sickle slash ouch :sweat:

[Rico]

probaly attack faster :sweat:

[KamaAina]

Well I dont see how it could be bad for monks no matter what...


so whatever it is here is looking forward to it

[Mikeb]

Why - TP to mob makes most sense: Monks and Ninjas share 1 thing - they hit ALOT quicker than any other jobs, thus giving the mob more TP (alot more) than any other jobs. If S-E wanted to give someone - emnity it would be Drk (because Monk can take aggro for a while with Counter and Dodge)...

[Aeynrieus]

Originally posted by Cloud Tiamat
Maybe it increases Critical Hit rate.

This is exactly what came to my mind when I first read the description. A -enmity or -TP accumulation trait just seems a little too focused, or obscure. However, it has a valid argument in that SE has supposedly claimed Ninjas were not intended to be tanks. This could be their way of nerfing the job...

[Arke]

Originally posted by Taoist
Subtle blow... sounds like something that won't let you have babies anymore :sweat:

That's so wrong, but I can't help laughing ! I plan on being a monk (no advanced job except maybe Samurai sub), so the Enmity-reducer version of Subtle Blow would help in parties but keeping hate off me, but I can see why Ninjas are a bit ticked about it. Besides, it'll probably a mid-high lvl thing like all updates, so I doubt I'll have to worry about it for a while. :angel:

[FinalPhantasy13]

I agree with -TP to enemy, that makes the most sense, -eminty is too good and would make a big change too fast.