How good of a BLM can an Elvaan make?

[Aurege]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM

3. I'm happy for you. I, on the other hand, am happy that I didn't have to farm 300k+ for 2 astrals (I could settle for 2 electrums) and 180k for two zircon rings (I settled for 2 eremites). Instead, I chanelled this money into getting both an ice and a dark staff, and should also shortly have an elemental torque.

Neither did I. From level 1, I had a profitable leatherworking career (not sharing secrets), so I never really farmed; cept on the occasional guild holiday. I got my equips farily easy (kinda long too). So I had more $$$ to buy things that werent required but helped (cough...vermillion...cough).

also, although I was smn, not blm, I never really ran out of mp (cept astral flows) too often

about time finding pts, that 30-1hour wait also applied to my 60-68 lvs. though there where a few times I waited hours (usually during na high time)

Summary: Elvaans can be good mages. If you are a new one, I recomend you find a profitable guild (compare the prices of supplies to thoughs of the final product in the auction house) and use it to your advantage. Like my leatherworking was. So, yes, guilding is profitable from even level 1 (if you got about 800 gil).

-If i still had my smn, Id probably be buying zenith stuff (which is also recomended in the end-game).

[maytrix]

If you still had your summoner Aurege? What happened to it?

[Aurege]

Square-Enix is what happened to it.

[maytrix]

Damn that's messed up man.

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by Aurege


Neither did I. From level 1, I had a profitable leatherworking career (not sharing secrets), so I never really farmed; cept on the occasional guild holiday. I got my equips farily easy (kinda long too). So I had more $$$ to buy things that werent required but helped (cough...vermillion...cough).

also, although I was smn, not blm, I never really ran out of mp (cept astral flows) too often

about time finding pts, that 30-1hour wait also applied to my 60-68 lvs. though there where a few times I waited hours (usually during na high time)

Summary: Elvaans can be good mages. If you are a new one, I recomend you find a profitable guild (compare the prices of supplies to thoughs of the final product in the auction house) and use it to your advantage. Like my leatherworking was. So, yes, guilding is profitable from even level 1 (if you got about 800 gil).

-If i still had my smn, Id probably be buying zenith stuff (which is also recomended in the end-game).

Still had to buy things that I didn't have to waste my time with. I didn't have to spend the time and effort leveling a craft up...I didn't have to lose all that gil...etc.

[Oro]

I'm going to answer the topic question as blunt as I can.

Yes Elvaan can make a good BLM.



For the topic starter > Most enemies are designed so that withing a great group, race issues are non existant. Get the balance right in a leveling PT for example, and a Elvaan BLM will still have some mp left over after a chain 5 worth 280+ exp. Have fun leveling.

Off topic: Yes Taru race make the better BLM. Does this even need to be brought up?

[almighty_boof]

It may seem like a far away place but at lv 50 on, race doesn't matter one bit...

[Deodorant]

Originally posted by almighty_boof
It may seem like a far away place but at lv 50 on, race doesn't matter one bit...

Dumbest statement ever. Race does matter, you're an idiot for even thinking it doesn't.

But as Atrox said, race doesn't matter as much as some people think. In most situations, tarus are superior mages, anyone who has half a brain knows this. But having an elvaan blm instead of a taru blm isn't gonna suddenly cut your exp in half (assuming equal player skill, etc).

[AtraposBLM]

If I had a penny for every time I've said this....


Look, all you non-taru's out there, stop the BS. What are the two most important things to a blm (aside from elemental magic skill, which is the same for every race, just as +accuracy and +attack is the same for every race for melee's)? Int and MP. Any idiot can read, and anyone who can read will notice that a taru will ALWAYS have more MP and INT than a similiarly equipped blm of another race. Do you really mean to say that free +int and +mp is BAD? I hope that's not what you're insinuating...because if that was the case, what'd be the point in wearing gear/eating food? The only thing a blm would do would be cast burn and MB...

That being said, will it MATTER in most cases? Well, the answer is...not really. There are many situations where having more HP will be helpful, there are times (many more, actually) where having more MP will be helpful. Will they make or break your blm? Probably not. What can I say - play an elvaan blm. Some people get to lv30-40 and get frustrated and start a taru. Other's take it to 75 and never look back.
What I can tell you, however, is that I see a LOT more hume/mithra blm's than I do elvaans. Elvaan's are *almost* as rare as galka's (there's only one galkan blm I know of that's 60+ on midgardsormr). I've only partied with one once, and that was on a run through some avatars. I'll say that when he had to sit, I still had ~400 mp left...so you can say what you want about conserving mp, there are times in the game where you just want to nuke nuke nuke, and taru's do better than other races, simple as that.

What it comes down to is the following:
There are a LOT of blm's playing (at least on midgardsormr). How dedicated are you willing to be with your blm? I'd take an Elvaan blm with 2 staves and up-to-date +int and +mp equips over a taru with shit gear any day. I can also say that using good gear gets you noticed. Today, I grouped with 2 blm's that hit lv70 in my party. I'll say that I'll never voluntarily invite them to my party again. One was in full AF, no staves, not even a black cloak. The other was just as bad...only not only did he not have a black cloak, he didn't even have his AF chest peice (he was using a jaustacorp). To my knowledge, I'm the only NA blm 60-75 using both dark and ice staves...so if you're willing to put the dedication in, it's not that there's that much competition, it's just that most people don't care. If anything, having 2 staves has gotten me more hate than it has love. I even had a few blm's say that Ice Staff wasn't worth the gil. I'm not trying to be a dick...but I guess I come across that way ; ;

[MidgardPlas]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM
To my knowledge, I'm the only NA blm 60-75 using both dark and ice staves...

There quite a few of us with both. You have too little faith in your fellow NA BLMs

[Oro]

This thread is still off topic, but the points some of you are making not totally irellivant. And they make sense. But I'd like to ask you all.

Have you ever been in a PT so good you dont run out of mp?

I'll answer my own question by saying 'Yes I have'

Have you ever fought a HNM where your LS is doing so well, your mp in your particular role is succificient?

Again I'll answer my own question by saying 'Yes I have'

To further add to the HNM, I'll mention 2 kings, King Behemoth and Aspidochelone. Both in which I have have healthy mp during the fights. To further add to this we have BLM75s in the same LS, a few taru and 1 elvaan, who never seems to complain about such issues, perhaps because he is a more than capable player?

Dear Kainryu, the starter of the thread > I'll say it again. Yes Elvaans can make good BLM, but regardless of the race, you and your comrades need sufficient skill to bypass any issues, efficientcy, racial stats, etc. I hope this thread is of use to you. Have fun leveling.

Off topic junk
Dear Taru mages > I don't know if you all know this, but did you 'arguably' know you have too much mp? No intention to start flames, no sarcasm, nothing, just a question, if you care to answer, it please do.

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by MidgardPlas

There quite a few of us with both. You have too little faith in your fellow NA BLMs

Apologies plastique, I just wish I got to see more of them. Lately, I've been doing 4 blm 1 whm 1 rdm parties (if all blm's are decently equipped, that's a 4.5k exp/hour pt setup), so I've been partying with a ton of blm's. Last night I partied with 2 lv69 blms (both of whom hit lv70 in that party) that not only didn't have a single staff, they didn't even have their JSE (black cloak). Kinda made me angry that these players basically got a free ride threw the whole game (one of them was lv58 when I was 65...so he b latantly just cruised through exping without stopping once to farm, do missions, or get access to tu'lia), while other blm's, such as myself, caracarn, lech, (both of those have ice staff) and others (such as yourself) took time out to farm and get equipment to make them better blm's. Ah well ; ;

Again, apologies.

As far as having "healthy" mp when you killed KB...that's more an issue of your linkshell than an issue of your race. If you're NA, and only can choose to join NA linkshells, most servers (excluding midgardsormr somewhat, and ragnarok) are limited (in comparison to a japanese alliance) in the number of players it can pull on. Meaning, you won't have access to a red mage and bard in your party. Therefore, there's simply no way you can do your job properly without having to rest in the multi-hour-long fight that KB is. Therefore, having more mp = good, right?

That being said, mp becomes almost a non-issue after 70, provided you have the proper gear. With the amount of +mp recovery you can get, you can rest back all your mp so quickly it doesn't matter anymore. But saying that it doesn't matter for the previous 69 levels is pretty stupid...

[aszid]

i think the easiest and quickest answer to this post is:

however good of a blm an elvaan can be, a taru, hume, or mithra of equal skill and commitment would be better.

[Oro]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM

Therefore, having more mp = good, right?

Your quite right

But, the point I was trying to make is, as an online game you there are many occasions where you are dependant on your comrades.

Taru BLM =! Elvaan BLM & Elvaan RDM (I know nobody has stated this)

One of the things I did say, is there is such thing as having too much mp, or in other words, doing too much. Is this not a bad thing? We all know overnuking can lead to poor performance, or even a death, as a typical example.

Also Atrapos, you mentioned my healthly mp was due to LS performance, thats the point im trying to make! Infact, dare I say it would be stupid to fight KB with no RDM and BRD? 3 Taru BLM wont compensate what a Galka BRD, RDM and BLM can do. I know you did not say this, but its a race/job balance debate we have here~ No matter what one tries to accomplish in this game, its always best with a good balance of jobs and the right strategy, and if the player(s) knows how to conquer their goal, race bounderies are destroyed.

I'll say again though, I appreciate Taru is the better BLM race.

[Rebellion]

I agree 100% with AtraposBLM, Tarus will always be superior mages. A Tarutaru BLM/WHM with the exact same equipment and level as an Elvaan, Galka, even Hume or Mithra, along with the same skill, will always be more efficient. That didn't stop me from using Hume. The extra HP is nice, I can take an extra hit or two, plus my eventual job is BRD (which I hear Humes are one of best), so it works out. No matter how you look at it, a Taru mage > other mages.