Summoner Subjob

[AtraposBLM]

A 49 blm wouldn't have blinkga or auto-refresh...

/smn is utterly useless until lv50 blm. It doesn't give significantly more mp, it doesn't give you any good abilities, and the lack of heals, sneak, invisibility, and status cures combine to make /smn a terrible sub choice before lv50.

After lv50, /smn can be a decent sub, depending on your party setup and how good the rest of your party is.

After lv60, /smn gives a significantly larger amount of mp, however, you still don't have any useful abilties (although the autorefresh is nice), and here's where you start fighting things that love to spam status effect moves. If you don't want your whm to be struggling between curing silence, paralyna, and healing the pld, wasting tons of MP on using higher cures than they needed because the pld took too much damage while they were curing status effects, being observant let's you cure the status ailments for the whm, freeing them to worry just about healing. I found that I always have more mp than the whm, so this lets the whm last longer, bringing our chains higher.

On dynamis runs, however, I think /smn would be awesome. +8 mp/sec (ballad, ballad II, refresh, black cloak, auto-refresh) would be real sweet, the extra mp would be handy, and the only thing you'd lose is stoneskin (which only helps your first run, btw, when you don't know how to avoid the AoE). It might also be handy for certain HNM...but most, stoneskin is better to help you avoid the frequent AoEs they do.

[Nici]

A 49 blm wouldn't have blinkga or auto-refresh...

/smn is utterly useless until lv50 blm. It doesn't give significantly more mp, it doesn't give you any good abilities, and the lack of heals, sneak, invisibility, and status cures combine to make /smn a terrible sub choice before lv50.

DUH yes I know this! Of course you don't get that stuff till 50/25....... I do have jobs that lvl.
And I was just saying my personal thoughts. That is what I think is best for ME. Anyways you can think what you want, but don't sit and tell me why I shouldn't sub it. Silent oils and prism powders take care of sneak/invis. And even tho smn doesn't give a huge amount of mp it gives more than any other sub. Plus the int bonus. But remember i've already said this, and these are only what I think. *shrug* I just like to play and have a good time.

[FFXITsukasa]

I agree Nici. I want to play Summoner because I think its cool AND it has the capabilities to help me with my main job as a Black Mage. I have plenty of friends and my LS, RedDawn that parties with me. I am sure I will get my parties and that I dont want to be WHM, that why I took Alchemy so I can cure stat ailments or even give it to the tank so they can toss em and cure themselves of errors. Sure might not sound that smart but I have decided I want to be Summoner, no not to be as Aszid says "uber cool" but because I like Summoning stuff and burning things. Two birds with one stone so who gives a crap about what others think? Thats their own personal opinion and just because they think like that I have to ruin my game play for them?! I think not.

[aszid]

Oh hell no. I have admitted in many threads before that I was Hume because I prefered how they looked over all races and I wanted to be Summoner because its uber cool. It just looks, in the words of Peter Griffon, "Freakin' Sweet!" and I don't mind admitting it. I just add that Summoner has the capability to help me do my job which is sorta just an added bonus to the coolness.

I think i'm done here.

[Highmage]

ok, May 2002:
if you did a /sea all you would see many odd combinations.
whm/mnk
brd/drk
pld/blm

and if there were summoners back then you would probably see many blm/smn
who knows

now May 2004:
try a /sea all level 50+
how many blm/smn will you see? maybe 1 or 2?

question: why do you think that is?

answer: evolution, the same reason why neanderthals are now extinct. after 2+ years of evolution in vanadiel, the retarded combinations have been weeded out. yes, i am insinuating that blm/smn is like a neanderthal.

[almighty_boof]

Try playing HNM with BLM/SUM as opposed to BLM/WHM, you'll be glad you did. Also, BLM/SUM does suck pre lv 50 (hurts the ego a little) but after that it is a very good sub to be, IMO. A while back I remeber arguing that it was crap because you couldn't Sneak or Invisible. I love Sneak Potions and Prism Powders for this. The nifty boost in MP is more than comendable. With the Auto-Refresh ability it makes party XPing going by a lot quicker.

Howerver, you need to suit yourself to how you will benefit the party best. If there is a BRD/WHM (or RDM/WHM) and a WHM in the group, I think it would be afe to say, "Bring on the BLM/SUM!!" But if you have insufficient healing, I'm afraid to say, "Go with boring ass /WHM" But to be qute honest. When you are lv 50 and they see a BLM pop, they will snab you anyways. People are so scarce at higher lvs that it is hard to find partys (in my experiences).

To sum up, it depends on your party situation or if you are doing HNM.

[AtraposBLM]

Actually, at lv67, most times there are 4-6 blms in my leveling range also lfp. We've taken to making 4 blm 1 whm 1 rdm parties, where keeping stoneskin and blink is important. Hey, I'll take 4.5k exp/hour anyway I can get it.

But no, the majority of times (on my server at least), there are plenty of blm's to go around.

[evilution]

level all subs lazy bastages pick the one that will work with the PT best. Only having 1 sub is just placing an artifical limitation on yourself.

[riceburner4540]

for the LAST TIME!!! its not blm/SUM its blm/SMN! get it straight, please!!

I think it would be afe to say, "Bring on the BLM/SUM!!" But if you have insufficient healing, I'm afraid to say, "Go with boring ass /WHM"

i think playing blm/whm is more exciting than playing blm/smn. you have pretty much the same job, which is to make shit dead (overly simplified, obviously), but as a blm/whm, at least you have other spells to use. as a blm/smn, you'll never use your avatars except for dangerous pulls in non-exp parties cuz well...the abilities really aren't quite worth the mp for a blm to use.

[almighty_boof]

Yeah I guess it varies to your liking. I personally like being an omega nuker. Healing just isn't the job for me. Which I was I love to be BLM/SUM. XD

[riceburner4540]

for the LAST TIME!!! its not blm/SUM its blm/SMN! get it straight, please!!

Yeah I guess it varies to your liking. I personally like being an omega nuker. Healing just isn't the job for me. Which I was I love to be BLM/SUM.

ARGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

/em shoots himself.

[Andry]

i look at this thread and i cry.

[ogre5278]

Ok, for the love of god auto-refresh sucks people, its only 40 a minute, how is that useful, that isn't even a decent spells worth of MP!

also not that the MP up! passive abilities are NOT +30 MP, most of the extra MP is just from the sub.

Proof: my summoner is at 9, 130 mp, whm sub gives 4 mp when sub levels up, summoner gives 12mp a level, so that 146 mp I should have if I didn't get the boost. I level up to 10, I only get 156 MP total, meaning that the boost is only 10MP!.

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by ogre5278
Ok, for the love of god auto-refresh sucks people, its only 40 a minute, how is that useful, that isn't even a decent spells worth of MP!

also not that the MP up! passive abilities are NOT +30 MP, most of the extra MP is just from the sub.

Proof: my summoner is at 9, 130 mp, whm sub gives 4 mp when sub levels up, summoner gives 12mp a level, so that 146 mp I should have if I didn't get the boost. I level up to 10, I only get 156 MP total, meaning that the boost is only 10MP!.

You're absolutely right that the Max MP up trait at lv10 gives 10 mp. Nobody said otherwise. I only said that the Max MP up at lv30 gives 30 mp.

[riceburner4540]

Ok, for the love of god auto-refresh sucks people, its only 40 a minute, how is that useful, that isn't even a decent spells worth of MP!

it doesn't suck, but its not great. and its not even 40 mp per minute, its 1 mp every 3 seconds which comes out to 20 mp per minute.