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  • #61
    Originally posted by MDenham


    To the second:
    (3) if you're a warrior (either naturally or through sub), SPAM VOKE. There is *no* excuse not to (at least, not one I've heard);

    Actually, if you are not the main tank, you should not be spamming Provoke. There are a number of reasons for this.

    Multiple 'vokes==multiple targets.

    If one person is in heavy armour and chowing down on Crab and Fish, then you want them to be the ones taking the hits. They'll take less damage, survive longer, and allow the White Mages to focus their mana on keeping that one person alive. If the target is hopping between multiple people, then the White Mage has to keep all of them alive, at the same time, and the nontanks will be taking considerably more damage per hit than the dedicated tanker. Warriors won't be able to use Berzerk, Dark Knights won't be able to use Soul Eater, etc. etc. It gimps the melee's damage potential, and costs the mages more mana keeping the party alive.

    All 'voke spamming==noone with a handy Provoke

    There will come times in most parties, where either the Tank can't keep the attention of the mob, or, when the Tank can't survive the attentions of the mob. At that point, someone else, has to get the attention of the mob, most often by using Provoke. If they have been spamming provoke with the main tank, there is a good chance they won't have it ready for unexpected situations. That means a dead tank, or dead mages, or both.

    I know, in the Dunes I've seen Screwdriver knock a tank into the red in a single hit. If someone can't pull the Pugil immediatly, then that tank is dead. If everyone has been spamming their Provoke, then there's a pretty good chance that there will be at least ten seconds until the first Provoke is ready.

    I think there was another reason why nontanks shouldn't spam Provoke, but it escapes me at the moment.

    One thing to remember about Provoke, is that the Hate generated by it decayes over time. The main tank can spam it to produce a fairly constant level of hate, but it will have specific times when the main tank will be low on hate, and a badly timed secondary Provoke will pull the mob off the main tank.

    This gets to be less of a problem at later levels where Paladins start getting massive hate generators, such as Fash and Cure II-IV, but by that point, nothing's pulling the mob off a good Paladin, short of a concentrated nuclear bombardment, and even that's debatable.

    And back onto the original subject, I just got a chance to see the equipe animation for a Tarutaru Monk. That's actually pretty cool. Instead of reaching around to grab one graple from each side, Taru will grabe the one on the right side with their right hand, reach across, grab the one of the left side, (so they have both in their right hand), then tosses one grapple into the air, and catches it with their left hand. At least I think that's how it works. I didn't get a clear view of it, and I wasn't paying close attention, until I saw them toss their left hand grapple into the air, and catch it on the way down.

    Harry Voyager

    Addendum: On a side note, I actually can see a new Red Mage not knowing what Enfeebling Magic actually reffers to. All the spells as listed under White or Black magic, and don't directly reffer to an "enfeebling" magic skill. I know when I tried Rdm for a time, it took me a while to realize that Blind and Dia, while one was Black magic, and the other was White magic, were both based off of the same magic skill. There are a lot of things not always explained in the game.

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    • #62
      I think there was another reason why nontanks shouldn't spam Provoke, but it escapes me at the moment.
      AEs with direct line of fire area of effects, i.e. exoray's silent gas. you'll want the tank to keep control of hate all the time and to make absolutely sure nobody is standing behind the tank. also, not having aggro bounce between the melees is good for sneak and trick attacks, which is essential for good skillchains.
      if the paladin has solid hate control, the SA+TA+VB might be done onto the other melee, or if the other melee has voke, then the melee might pull the hate and have the SA+TA+VB done on the pld.
      kinda funny sometimes though when the drg in my party vokes AND uses his ws and the mob won't even flinch.

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      • #63
        They are so dang cute and small that I want to punt one like a football.

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        • #64
          The winner of todays most meaningless and worthless thread that got way to many responses..... /hurray

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Voyager

            Addendum: On a side note, I actually can see a new Red Mage not knowing what Enfeebling Magic actually reffers to. All the spells as listed under White or Black magic, and don't directly reffer to an "enfeebling" magic skill. I know when I tried Rdm for a time, it took me a while to realize that Blind and Dia, while one was Black magic, and the other was White magic, were both based off of the same magic skill. There are a lot of things not always explained in the game.
            This guy wasn't exactly a "new" RDM - he was probably lv14-15, and the person I heard this from said the guy did not grasp any of the concept of magic being used to enfeeble (IOW, this RDM was probably alternating nukes and heals without using Dia/Blind/etc. because "they don't have enough effect that I can see" [my guess at the guy's reasoning]).

            Besides, the first thing a new RDM sees, within three casts of Dia, is "<name>'s enfeebling skill rises 0.1 points." :spin: Anyone who doesn't get it at that point should stick to either whm or blm.
            mnk26 / rdm16 / blm7 / war5

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            • #66
              I dont hate taru's, i hate that other race.. um whats it called? newbies? yea thats it, i hate them... last night i had a pt with the worst newbie i've seen yet, actually the 2 worst i've seen..

              okay, well to start things off this was in valkurm(yay -.-) and the leader(newbie i was refering too) was a lvl 16 war, i wont say his name cause thats not nice ^^ but lets see here, his equips were the following... lvl leather bandana, scale armor(i was surprised) hume pants and boots(the ones ya start off with) and thats all... oh and he was using some low lvl great sword, dont remember the lvl exactly but it was below 10... and the great thing about all this was, he was the leader so he knew EXACTLY what job to invite and couldnt be told otherwise.. this was the party set up:

              16 war(him)
              16 blm(his other newbie friend i was refering too)
              16 thf/war(me)
              14 dragoon/thf
              14 thf
              15 rdm (galka X.x)

              okay so as you can see this party only has 1 voker(yes i can voke, but i'll get into why i was scared too in a minute) and not enough healing power. i sent him a tell saying we needed more healing power, and he responded with something along the lines of "dont tell me who 2 invite, its my prty"

              okay i told him i would pull, but he then said "no your not, i'm pulling cause i'm the tank and i'm spose to" and i told him that usually thfs pull and he responded with "nah" okay so the 1st thing this genius pulls is an IT leecher, we all nearly died and the only reason we lived was cause the newbie war used his 2hr..

              oh YEA and he's pulling with provoke so by the time he gets back, my sneak attack for about 65-85 pulls the agro directly off him onto me, meanwhile his blm friend is chainnuking nonstop with fire/aero/fire/aero then the mob turns and goes for him and he starts letting off a macro that says:
              "Help, the <t> is going after me, PROVOKE IT NOW <call1>"
              while using that macro nonstop he's running in circles and the war finally provokes it and we kill it, thats usually how the fights were going.

              now this other fight was vs a goblin and it used 2 bombs rather early in the fight so the rdm was having to cure II a rather good bit so the gob went for him, and i've pted with him before so he was my friend so i didnt want him to die so i provoked it off of him, and it starts whacking at me for 50+ dmg(did i mention i'm a taru?) i do have the best equips a thf my lvl can have defense-wise, so anyways, i'm in the red after 3-4 hits meanwhile this war's "PROVOKE IS RDY" went off in the chat right after i provoked it and he is just sitting there watching my hp go down, i had to use my fucking 2hr just to live, he finally provoked it and my sneak was ready so i used that and fast blade to kill the damn thing...

              and here came the best pull i've ever seen!! he provokes an IT fly, and then he agro's 3 goblins on his way back to the camp and when he gets there he says "COME ON GUYS, WE CAN DO THS!!"
              at that point all i do is sigh and provoke a goblin and start running to selbina hoping to live, once i got to town i promtly disbanded and started seeking for another fun filled newbie adventure ..-_-..
              Current Job lvl's:
              Drk32/War30/Thf30/Rng37/Nin37/Rdm30/Blm20

              Current NM's:
              Leaping Lizzy 3/9
              Jaggedy Eared Jack 0/1
              Spiny Spini: 3/3

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              • #67
                Come on...

                Do you know how dumb it is to rant on newbs. They are called that because they are new, give them some time. Everybody who is playing this game was a newb at one point, so ease up on us man. I'm sure we will get better soon.
                ZEPPELIN RULES!!

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                • #68
                  it wasnt the fact that he was a newb, it was the fact that he thought he knew everything and wouldnt take any input i gave, the rdm in the pt was also saying he wasnt going to be enough cause he didnt have tons of mp, but he said "oh well, we'll be cool" and just flat out ignored everyone like he was the all knowing god he thought he was.

                  and i dont care if you dont like ranting about newbs, it made me feel better
                  Current Job lvl's:
                  Drk32/War30/Thf30/Rng37/Nin37/Rdm30/Blm20

                  Current NM's:
                  Leaping Lizzy 3/9
                  Jaggedy Eared Jack 0/1
                  Spiny Spini: 3/3

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                  • #69
                    A taru brd left our PT after me and him died one time, we had been waiting for this brd for 20 minutes maybe just to get our party going after our rdm left 40 minutes before that. Yeah the bard was a taru but so was our nin, who didnt complain 1x and did his job as well as he could. I left the PT later so an RDM could join.
                    Do I hate tarus? no
                    Do I hate selfish mages/bards? yes
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                    • #70
                      As a person who plays a whm, I try to concentrate on healing people rather than my own well-being. The meaning of Benediction is to sacrifice one's self, it is a white mage's responsibility to prevent their party from dying (and in my case, even if I die.) I do definitely enjoy doing all the cute things that tarus do, but I don't want to come off as truly arrogant, it's somehting that isn't good for party morale. The party doesn't revolve around the white mage/bard/black mage, and I wish some people understood that.
                      I'm going to be the best summoner in the world!!!! :D

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                      • #71
                        {Tarutaru} {Monster} {Run away!}
                        "Tarus are not for punting!"
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                        • #72
                          Come on guys, I play a TaruTaru THF and I'm kind of offended by this blatent and blanket generalization of my race. I mean, I'm straight up my own personality. SE has to take some of the blame for the taru 'cuteness' complex. For one, have you ever talked to any of the Taru NPCs? They set the standard for taru RP. And they talk with this so called 'cuteness' so all the tarus are just trying to emulate it. I mean its the same as the strong silent galka, or the witty mithra with the rrrrrs in their words. Combined with the preteen + girls/ guys who think they are girls asking for the 'funky taru dance' AND the linkshell (atleast on my server) that's devoted to the dancing, we're kinda set up for this cuteness emnity we're creating. All i'm seeing is that I'm pretty cool, my rp is almost opposite of the typical taru rp, if you see by my name. So don't judge all of us by the few. OK that's all
                          -Shaft
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                          • #73
                            ima

                            ima tarutaru but i still agree, im roren on server odin, and i do not use the cuteness to my advantage. i am also NOT a pervert, im just like every other player, i do not feel the need to shove the taru cuteness onto people

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                            • #74
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                              • #75
                                I hate Tarus period. There not cute they just look fuckin stupid.
                                My site www.emu-corp.tk or www.emucorp.tk

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