as it seems mithra is the best race for any melee type

[Aeynrieus]

Originally posted by kanomjeeb
can't understand why noone considers critical rate O.O ...

and how easy it is to boost up STR ... (kabob kabob~) wondering how many ppl out there eating dex food

Me ^^

Roast Pipira (+3 DEX, +14.5% Attack)

You want to know which race is the best melee race? It's the race that has the most of all stats that matter to melees: STR, DEX, VIT, and AGI. That race will have the best foundation upon which to further increase their stats to make them a more reliable, harder hitter. HP is a nice bonus, but shouldn't be considered too heavily for melee classes. However, ties would go to the race with more HP, obviously.

I used this stats calculator to find the following for a level 75 DRK/WAR (seemed like a good class to base this off of):

Hume:
1333 HP
STR(81) DEX(70) VIT(68) AGI(65) combined: 284

Elvaan:
1454 HP
STR(90) DEX(67) VIT(73) AGI(57) combined: 287

Mithra:
1333 HP
STR(78) DEX(84) VIT(65) AGI(74) combined: 301

Galka:
1605HP
STR(86) DEX(70) VIT(82) AGI(62) combined: 300

Tarutaru:
1107HP
STR(73) DEX(70) VIT(65) AGI(70) combined: 278

Very, very close on this, but all other considerations aside, I would take the Mithra. They only lack 8 STR over the closest contender (Galkan), but are up 14 DEX. The VIT and HP shouldn't be that big of a factor for a well played melee class, i.e. one that doesn't draw aggro every other fight.

I also went ahead and just totalled up STR and DEX, since those two are often the most hotly contested stats:

Hume: 151
Elvaan: 157
Mithra: 162
Galka: 156
Tarutaru: 143

As you can see from my profile, I'm an Elf... and I really wanted these numbers to be different from what they are. Unfortunately, I was disappointed. I have to jump on board with the kitties and yield that they do make the best pure melee classes. Galkans and Elvaan are pretty close, but Galks have more VIT, DEX, AGI and HP at the expense of only 4 STR. Remeber, these numbers were all based off of a level 75 DRK/WAR; however, I can further say that the results will be almost the same across the melee classes, though, with Mithrans really taking a commanding lead in THF and RNG. But these advantages will not be as apparent at lower levels.

I'm level 30 WAR/MNK right now and I can honestly say that my economic schrewdness has payed off. I can keep up with almost any other damage dealer I party with, and I'm the tank most of the time. It really boils down to who has the better gear. But for comparably equipped characters, I've got to cast my vote for the cats and Galks, with my beloved Elves running a strong third.

I will put one last, and comparatively big caveat down here, though. Not all equipment is created equal. I'm not very familiar with the higher level stuff, so somebody who is will have to fill in here, but I'm guessing that some stats are probably easier to boost than others. For example, two Sniper Rings and a Life Belt will drastically improve an Elvaan's accuracy. While it's true that a Mithran could equip the same stuff, I'm not sure if that would actually make a noticeable difference. Or at least enough difference to justify not using those inventory slots to improve the Mithra's vastly inferior STR stat.

That example raises a pretty big question in my mind, though. Since STR and VIT have a linear relationship for how damage is dealt, it seems plausible to me that DEX and AGI should have a linear relationship as well. If this is indeed the case, then I believe the advantage lies quite firmly with the Mithras.

I found this formula for Physical Damage somewhere (I can't remember), so it might not be correct:

Physical damage = (STR - VIT) + [3 + ((WepSkill / 10)+ WepDamage)] * [(ATK / DEF) + (random -0.5 -> +0.5)]

Did Square create something like this as a "to-hit" formula?

Chance to hit = (DEX - AGI) + [3 + (WepSkill / 10)] * [(ACC / EVD) + (random -0.5 -> +0.5)] * 4

This formula doesn't actually work, it's just an example of how Square might have worked in a DEX to AGI linear check similarly to how it is implemented in the Physical Damage formula. This is all purely hypothetical, but it does go to show that this game is really much more complex than raw numbers. And eventhough Mithra take the melee crown in raw numbers (they have the most points of any other race), it may be that the field is truly made even once each race is equipped in its optimum equipment.

[Ele]

Mithra DRK is not near as good as a galka or elvaan DRK. Yes mithra have a lot of dex and have pretty good strength. However, galka and elvaan have more hp, this more hp converts to more damage by using souleater. Elvaan and galka will always outdamage mithra when using this ability. Dex will factor in hardly at all too. Its all about the acc equipment. DRK acc sucks, and if you think ur hot shit cause ur a mithra and go and buy all str and attack equip, then ur log is going to be: miss, miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, miss.

I have not read any of the other posts, but id also have to say mithra are not the best PLD. Elvaan is the best PLD due to high vit, high hp, and high mnd. They also have more mp than galka, so more cures. They also have high str, doing more damage = more hate. They can take hits very well due to the hp and vit, and the hi mnd stat helps hold hate when using cure abilities.

Mithra do make the best THF though. There dex and agi is far superior to any other race, taru is close though.

Overall though, id have to say elvaan is the better race for melee.

[hatey]

Personally, for any dmg dealer, I'd take a mithra over pretty much anything. I don't think you can ever have too much accuracy/dex in this game (atleast when you're fighting IT mobs). I know you can hit a wall if you buffed your accuracy too much, but even with peacock charm and life belt I dunno if you'll hit this point of diminishing returns (that seymour has spoke of before). Hitting this wall would only make dex better, and again, I don't see how you can have too much accuracy in this game. I guess bards do get accuracy up song, but I still doubt you're going to hit that point. I'd rather hit more consistently for smaller amounts than miss more and do more dmg when I actually hit. And the only time I'd buff str or attack over accuracy/dex unless it's like a 3-1 attack to accuracy ratio. Obviously the rules are different for thf (slieghtly) because of sneak/trick. But for goon, drk, mnk, sam, rng. I'd value things like this accuracy > dex > attack > str. (replacign accuracy/dex with ranged accuracy and agl for ranger). I used to value thf stats like this, except I value dex more than accuracy. And now I'm valuing things like this for thf. dex > agl > accuracy > attack > str. Although I might end up switching the places of accuracy/agl or bumping agl below accuracy. I just got trick attack and I havn't had the chance to test the impact of it yet to judge if I'm valuing things correctly. I also havn't got viper bite yet, which sort of key when making this judgement. Since you'll be valuing accuracy a lot to build tp and just increase your dmg consistency from regular attacks. My biggest decision right now is should I get drone earrings over +attack earrings when I hit 36? I would assume so but again, I don't know the impact of agl. I know it's not as big of an impact of dex (in many ways).

[Moo]

Race doesn't even make a noticable difference as far as damage dealers go except for a few exceptions.

Galka owns Dark Knight. HP is a DRK's best friend.

Elvaan and Galka own Monk. STR is very important for monks.

Mithra owns Thief. DEX DEX DEX DEX!

Galka owns Warrior.

As far as the other damage dealers go, Equipment is the most important factor. Even with an Elvaan DRG vs a Mithra DRG vs a Tarutaru DRG, you will not notice a difference if they are all wearing the best equipment.




As far as the best Race being the race that gives you the Job/AF quests:

The Elvaan WHM should be enough to prove you wrong. Same with the Mithra RNG. Rangers accuracy is so beefy even with low agility that they will only miss like 2 shots in an entire exp PT session (exageration). You might as well go for a race with more STR for extra bow damage, because you won't be missing very often anyways. Ranger effectiveness is owned by your equipment, however.

To be honest, we know a lot more about the mechanics of this game now than the Square did when they were making it.

[PedaTeda]

very true....but i have two words for Uber Jobs.....Mithra & Taru.

[Setio]

Um.....er...yeah......you people do realize when it comes down to it....race doesn't matter as much as you think it does. With the right equipment and food you'd be as good as any person at your level. Yes if your a Taru WAR or Galka WHM you'll have some problems but they're not something you can't deal with.....You can argue all you want about how much better you were than someone last night, but seriously theres no point in the end. I didn't listen to half of the people here since most of them were bias....so many elitists......:dead: "Mithra can hit more and get criticals OMFG!!!!WE ARE T3H L33t!" "Elvaans PWN all!"
Im an Elvaan......I use to think he looked fucked up but I don't mind much anymore.....The character appeals to me the most.....thats what matters.

Didn't we come to play this game for fun?.......then why are we praying to the stat calculator god for divine wisdom?

[PedaTeda]

Yes i realized that a while ago....i just like saying Taru and Mithra is best to get ppl mad!!!


lol@praying to the stat god