as it seems mithra is the best race for any melee type

[Anya]

Sounds like the mithra was the only one of the meeles actually doing her job ^^

Rangers are not tanks, they're damage. Blame the elvaan wars for not tanking, probably because their dex is so bad ^^

[lininmobs]

ok then as it seems elvann is the worst melee and mithra is the best? glad im not an elvann:p

[Tidane]

All this what raw stats, and what happens. Its up to chance. My Hume DRK hits more than the Mithra DRK at the same level I always party with, and I miss quite a bit. I hit for more, and draw more hate. My Hume Dragoon friend gets the most hate though, he hardly misses, and does about the same damage as me, at level 27 with the FrostReaper. Evilness.

What I'm saying, is, there is no best. You may say it hits more, but its in your own experience, same as my example is my experience.

I can see multiples of any class LFG, and I pick Tarus first, simply because they look the coolest, especially in melee jobs. I don't think, "Well, the Galka has no MP, better not pick him."

To sum it all up, so you don't have to read that, (bet you did, eh?), the best melee job isn't dependent on your race, its equipment and sub job. *nod* Yeah, that's it. Oh, and what status effects you have...always give yourself Blindness, you hit alot more. *another nod*

[CalGore]

ok were talking about melee fighter, not tanker right? tank has a small range for races, but with melee fighter, all races could do a very good job at it (ive seen taru monks kick arse) so no, mithra isnt the best at it. Dex and Agi is just as important to the other skills in my opinion

[SonikU4ia]

This thread is really quite peculiar. I find several things that some people seem to keep hitting home on rather hillarious and just plain ridiculous.

I begun to subscribe to a firm belief that, when posed the question of who is the best race melee wise, I could honestly say Galka are the best type to have in any party.

I play a WHM and when I am in a party with Elvaan/Mithra DRKs or Mithra RNGs, it always seems that I am having to dump a ridiculous amount of MP into them, just to keep their hit points at a sane level. ("And" save them from insta-kill.) However, Galka DRKs and MNKs are way more considerable low maintenance as far as HP is concerned. I can slap a regen and a few Cure 2's on a Galka DRK and I am pretty much OK the rest of the battle. I do not really grab any hate that I normally shouldn't be, when Galka are present. But, let an Elvaan DRK do his infamous instant-death combo thingy which includes and is not limited to: Berserk, Last Resort, Soul Eater and Shadow of Death (other weaponskills may apply). Suddenly, the battle has gone to hell in a hand basket and I'm throwing cure 3, cure 3, regen, divine sea+cure 3, blink myself, cure 3 myself, cure 2, Paladin grabs monster hate and then is dead........(usually by the DRK in the group, "oh joy!"), then, having to regen HP/MP lvls and wondering for the next 2 minutes why the hell the DRK's did all that crap!! >_< But, let a Galkan DRK throw out that combo and its no where near the headache and nausea of an Elvaan or Mithra.

I think the game is extremely balanced for all intents and purposes. Sure, I can cut a little slack in the arguement and say that Mithra might hit on a much more successful frequency than Elvaans and Galkans. Maybe Elvaans can do more damage in a single flurry of combos if they all connect. But what is the point, really, if you are dishing out a large amount of damage, grabbing alot of hate, and causing your party's white mage to basically mana dump on your feeble, no defense having azzzz, taking the hate from you the melee'er and then having to regen back to full? ¬_¬

If you ask me, doing all that damage isn't really worth it. The focus of the game should be about smooth sailing, support of others in your party, and getting xp in the best/quickest possible method, not trying to be the "supasTAH" or "EYe rOxxOR joO w/mAI eye are dEW l337 dM6!"

There is no I in TEAM. There is, however, an I in IDIOT.

Galka seem to take damage really well and aren't high maintenance when it comes to curing. In addition, they can grab hate and do nice damage from what I have noticed. Really, if I dare say, Black Mages do the best, most consistent damage of anyone in the party, anywhere, and even HE has to lay low in battle unless he wants insane aggro and insta-death. (Don't even mention Taru mages than can get stuff, stole, and snuck with insta-kills.)

This game is really all about one pure, happy medium. Everyone has their strong points and their weak points. A party has to sum up together the total potential of all its members to be UBER. You never see a good party working together getting its arse kicked unless they suddenly hit a streak of disastrously freaky bad luck.

I'm just simply getting to the point where I don't even like DRKs. They just annoy the hell out of me with their ridiculously high damage and STUPAFIED defense. >_<

[albert lee]

you haven't played with any good darks... my def is just as good as a war's def. when beserk, and last resort are used, they're not supposed to be used together just for one ws. if a galka drk/war did that combo u mentiond, it will be the same oneshot. they don't have that much more hp in the 30's than an elvaan does. maybe like 30hp.. wooo.

[Socrates]

SonikU4ia>>

somebody has to kill the monster....

but yeah, overuse of drk self-buffs is hella retarded.

[lininmobs]

i didnt think this thread would get this many posts.

[Kyolii]

I can say from just monitoring the stat calculator that if anyone's not hitting too often as a Mithra Melee, subjob Thief.

I nearly never missed as a Thief. When I did I wondered if I was doing something wrong

Subjobing Thief gives you a huge DEX and AGI bonus, so you hit far more often and get hit far less often. Good stuff.

[Hisdon]

before I make my next post, I want to ask, has anyone else played both a Mithra character (my beta one) and a Elvaan to lvl 40+ with a job? Because I have a lot of shit about this that if I don't say this first you guys will simply call me an idiot for ;/

[Uchiha Sasuke]

I strongly believe that classes have a race best stuited for it. Since DRK is being used frequently, ill use it. Sure a Mithra will hit more frequently, however what do they have to rely on when they take the hate? Agi? Thats pretty unreliable as DRK. Take an Evlaan, not only do they hit harder, but they have vit AND hp to take more hits. Elvaan come out in the lead in this class.

[CalGore]

Originally posted by Uchiha Sasuke
I strongly believe that classes have a race best stuited for it.

I disagree with everything right there. It all depends on who you have in your pt and how you play that job. Galka whm is a little awkward, but benediction would help him out a lot, since all the hate goes to the whm after that move, the galka would be able to stand it for a bit, unlike the taru. DRK though, every race is good with it. Ive seen some awesome Elvaan and Hume drks, and even this Taru drk ive met helped me get through a quest and he did amazing. PLD is the same thing i belive. Galka = more hp and vit, elvaan = not as much hp or vit, but best mnd and semi good mp. (last time i checked, mnd helps you resist status ailments like poison, i hope its true) But yeah my message is getting boring so I will get to the point

All in all, Depends on your party and how you play the job.

[Hisdon]

ok, I got no responce, so here I go, you are all wrong that think Mithra is the best for any melee...

in beta I played a Mithra, with proper +DEX items and such, and I still missed a lot, Elvaan DRKs hit more than me and I was a Mithra WAR...miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, looked like that quiet a lot (on other notes, you guys seem to forget that 2 DEX=1 accuracy, so Mithra accuracy is not that superior, a Mithra has 4 more accuracy than me, I can fix that with one item. On the other hand, I have a lot more VIT and HP than that Mithra does, and I hit a lot harder...)


Elvaan, I decked myself out in +DEX and +accuracy, and even now...I hite more than Mithras by a long shot...why? because I made up that +4 accuracy, and surpassed it, making my accuracy higher than a Mithra's easly. Mithras can't even compare to my souleater damage, or my survivability (I've yet to be killed by souleater...unitentionaly. I did it once to save the WHM when they benidicted knowing I'd die but hey, I saved a JP mage, I'm in his good book (^^)b )

[Atma]

Originally posted by Hisdon
Elvaan, I decked myself out in +DEX and +accuracy, and even now...I hite more than Mithras by a long shot...why? because I made up that +4 accuracy, and surpassed it, making my accuracy higher than a Mithra's easly.

I wasn't aware there was magical elvaan only +ACC and +Dex gear. Congratulations, you are slightly better then an equivalent naked Mithra of your level.

[sqalls]

Actually ...

Not unless he was refering to this baby :


RSE (Race Specific Equipment)


BODY: Level 33

Humes: DEF18 HP+32 VIT+3 INT-1 CHR+1

Elvaans: DEF18 HP+24 MP+4 DEX+1 INT+1

Tarutarus: DEF18 HP+36 STR+1 VIT+2 MND+1

Mithras: DEF18 HP+32 STR+1 CHR+1

Galkas: DEF18 MP+32 INT+1 CHR+1


HANDS: Level 27

Humes: DEF6 HP+12 MP+4 STR+3 DEX+3 VIT-1 AGI-1

Elvaans: DEF6 MP+24 DEX+2 INT+1

Tarutarus: DEF6 HP+12 STR+3

Mithras: DEF6 MP+16 VIT+4 MND+2

Galkas: DEF6 MP+32 INT+2


PANTS: Level 31

Humes: DEF12 MP+32 STR-1 MND+3 CHR+1

Elvaans: DEF12 HP+12 MP+12 DEX+2 AGI+2

Tarutarus: DEF12 HP+21 STR+1 VIT+2 MND+2

Mithras: DEF12 MP+32 VIT+1 MND+1

Galkas: DEF12 MP+20 AGI+2 INT+1 CHR+2


BOOTS: Level 29

Humes: DEF5 HP+4 MP+12 DEX-1 AGI+3 INT+3 MND-1

Elvaans: DEF5 MP+20 AGI+3 INT+2

Tarutarus: DEF5 HP+20 STR+2

Mithras: DEF5 HP+16 STR+3 CHR+2

Galkas: DEF5 MP+12 AGI+3 INT+2

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So his missing 2 or 3 dex and the mithra is not naked :sweat: