lets see if Hachima was right about today...

[yinpalm]

Dmmit they keep dragging me back in!!!! i really need a new hobby,
kiddish our problem was not the opinions of hach, but he presented them as facts, thats our problem, if you have an OPINION present it at such. Hachi swore he spoke fact and announced how he was great beta tester man, i don t really care but that doesn t mean i won t point out why i think your wrong and say your supposed FACTS are not really facts.
Now really think, if you had a guaranteed place in the beta why would you tell a bunch of people desiring to be in it that?
If im in a room full of hungry people why would i say hey i ve got food and you probably wont be getiin any anytime soon. what type of person does that?
If i was a guaranteed slot i wouldn tbe telling yall so i could upset people.
Regardless man, Hachi? where are you? are you gonna let your minions waste in the winds while you hide? Man they believed in you! Say it ain t so Hachi say it ain t so!!!

[Kiddish]

What "opinions"? You all keep bringing this up, what opinions again?

And why shouldn't he share his success? Maybe he anticipated that the average age of the board viewers is around 15, not 5. Honestly, there's no need to be so childish when someone gets something you want.

[Fox Excalibur]

Im disqualified from play, i once painted an ostrich yellow and sent a pic to square...PETA didnt like it too much...something about "toxic fumes" killing the bird pffffffft


lol anyway yeah, im probably way wrong about the 100 testers, but even if im not, i can guarentee around 20,000 people probably signed up, and like Korjiro said, only like 1/3 of "us" are really regular posters that i would condsider in "us" lol im sure its much much less then a third of us :p So that still gives "us" small chances.

Most beta tests that do stress testing do do at least 2,000, i mean makes sence. We have no proof they are doing a stress test however, all they have said so far is a connectivity test, and who knows how many a "few" is, as they state. They might not need a stress test however, they know how thier servers are holding up already. But for an American release they might want to do another, i cant say either way.

Im sure im wrong about that, i was just throwing it out there, but yeah, a figure around 2,000 is much more likely, but dont ever stake your hopes on anything in FFXI we dont have proof as fact. As i believe is what this thread is about, lol.

Im just saying no one get your hopes up that your gonna get picked, i think the actual people in the beta might not be as many as we would hope.

Anyway back to the topic. Lol, i think people might be reading a little too far into what Hachi was saying, I dont know if he really meant to stir up trouble or what, but we shouldnt jump to those conclusions. Maybe he did get told that by a friend at square, maybe his friend is a stock boy or something that doesnt really know and he ends up being wrong. Either way, even if he DID have proof, he couldnt show us, i mean if he showed you the email his friend sent him (which is how im assuming he heard, as first he said he got an email from square, then later said a friend told him) would anyone believe it to be legit? Then again maybe Hachi is just what people are saying, we cant know cause we have no proof or argument for either case.

24th is logical, but also easily drummed up by any one of us to say. We should all know not to take someones word on the message boards just because they seem to know what they are talking about.

I personally wont let my hopes get up either way, if hes right then cool the beta starts sooner, if not, oh well, we have the satisfaction of proving him wrong, lol. We will just have to see.

Edit: also in defence of Hatchi saying he was in beta, as you know MANY people, if they get a acceptance from square will be flooding the boards with. "OMG I MADE IT IN BETA!!!!!!!!" threads. He was rather discrete about it his thread was more of about telling people about how the beta selection process is done, and i found very educational. Then again maybe he did put the title of the thread there to intentionally mislead people about what the thread was about, then made sure to mention he was accepted somewhere in there.

And not in defence of Hatchi...

Also like i said, if he was a "tester" for Square, he HAS to know Japanese (as there would be no need whatsoever to have beta testers outside of the translators themselves to test a translation of a video game.) if so, then why wasnt he in the Japanese beta, and mentions these things about the american beta instead.

[Korjiro]

kiddish who ever yer dealer is hook it up! i wanna be as fucked up as you are now:p

your saying that your siding with him becuase no one else has proof... well thats the WHOLE point of this forum NO ONE KNOWS its all just SPECULATION!!!!

and for someone to claim he has "ties" and to promise a "FACT" is not only hurting others but hes also ruining his rep, cuz if hes wrong, its gonna get aweful "hot in Har"

if you want real facts, go to square hq, drizzle hot glue on yourself and run at the door full speed. (*smack*) then when the sercurity guards rush out to see whats wrong you ask.... when is ffxi beta going to close and when are we going to be notified?


your chances of geting a strait answer form the security guard are as good as following your little friend.

[Dunneldeen]

Far be it from me to assume others intents...but...I believe the point of this thread was to lay the burden of proof at Hachima. No one is pointing out faults in the logic of 'beta will close on the 24th' because there is no proof either way. So the thread was started more as a musing, than a 'he's wrong because I have proof'

I'm not sure exactally why you guys are all screeming for the other side to present proof...cause the only person to ever claim they had such evidence was Hachima, who declined to present it.

I agree with Kiddish, in that calling him a liar was perhaps somewhat childish (child..kid...kiddish?? nooo just a joke =D) considering all he did was decline to back up his statements. There really are alot of reasons someone might have done that.

*shrug*

[Kiddish]

Korjiro, I never said anything about you guys not having proof. I said that considering nobody has any concrete evidence, who are you going to believe; People who actually give reasons for their point of view, or people that bash the other side for not giving "proof." I want you guys to speculate. I want you to tell me why I'm wrong. But you refuse to, why? I'm assuming you just can't. Why can't we have a normal discussion, and speculate on the date?

Hachima said nothing that isn't plausible. Unless of course, you think it isn't plausible, (and I'm starting to think you actually believe it is possible since you refuse to address it) and if that is the case, let me know.

I wouldn't blindly believe someone if they said something completely outlandish. Using my own strain of judgement, I've personally come to the conclusion that Hachima's posts do make sense. No one has said anything to viably refute that so I guess I'm sticking with it.

[Korjiro]

I agree with Kiddish, in that calling him a liar was perhaps somewhat childish (child..kid...kiddish?? nooo just a joke =D) considering all he did was decline to back up his statements. There really are alot of reasons someone might have done that.

ive gone back and read alot of his posts.

he deleberatly names posts so people think that the emails have been sent.

on top of that, it isnt enough to give his oppinion or prediction, he lines them with " my disclosed source" and thats all FINE but he goes on to say , well im in beta already so i dont have to worry. that doesnt tick me off as much as he said that the 24th was THE close date. ( he stated this as if it were a fact)

and who knows, he could be right, at 12:00 tonite we will see.

as they say...... time is the father of truth...

[yinpalm]

my god you people talk enough pure bullsh, really, i mean if you say something your responsible for it. Thats what being an adults about, taking responsibility for your actions, yall wanna say oh why are you flaming him he didn t do anything,
pffft he opened his mouth and if he becomes right i ll have to grudgingly admit it but, its really not lookin that way
everybody throws this "childish how old are you crap around" lemme tell you people are the same regardless of age.
And i m the type who if you say somethin i ma hold you to it.
he stated as fact that the beta would close today
he claimed hes on the inside etc
you say im jealous cause he got in, NO i m not i beleive they re may infact be people who will definitely be in the beta.
Do i think its the right thing to do in this situation? na but thats neither here nor there lets seee if you re right ol hachi
man were are you hiding, make up a story and come back your fans will believe you! they re fighting for you now!

[Batsu]

I think by creating topics such as this, we in the end help the alterior motives of poeple that want nothing more than trouble. I find it interesting that he hasnt even bothered to make some sort of rebuttal to all of the posts on this thread. For all we know he could be reading this thread right now and snickering with great enjoyment seeing what contreversy he has just concocted.
I for one will not add to this growing fire, and not give Hach the satisfaction of me adding unessasary input to just agrivate others.
As for beta testing goes, I very much understand that the chance of me getting to take part is quite low, but aslong as friends or someone atleast on this site gets to take part in it ( which is a greater chance), and passes on helpful information to help enlighten others on this game, I see that as a victory in itself.

[Dunneldeen]

Korjiro - I do not believe that the thread subjects were disigned to be misleading in such a way...but I still don't see anything he said that was diffinatively a lie.

Kiddish, you asked for a reasonable arguement that the beta will not close today, I believe I have a speculation suitable to your request.

I mentioned earlier about the possibility of a second phase of the beta. several people went on to say that the game is finished, and this is infact the 3rd beta that we're waiting on. But I don't think that is so true that the game is finished. All you have to do is consider that in the beta application it made no mention whatsoever of a PS2 HDD, of which the japanesse version requires. Furthermore translation of things may not be so simple as some have made it out to be. I'm no programer, but it doesn't seem farfetched to think that labels and things might require changes to the coding...and changes like that certainly do warrent some form of testing beyond connectivity.

So, I believe there might be another beta...and as such, they might indeed not close the sign up at all, to continue taking apps for the next phase.

I think thats what you asked for, Kiddish...though you didn't say specifically what you think other people are saying you're wrong about...my assumption seemed reasonable enough though *shrug*

=)

[Korjiro]

I find it interesting that he hasnt even bothered to make some sort of rebuttal to all of the posts on this thread. For all we know he could be reading this thread right now and snickering with great enjoyment seeing what contreversy he has just concocted

thats an interesting point hes been aweful quiet


oh and kiddish in response to....

Korjiro, I never said anything about you guys not having proof. [B]I said that considering nobody has any concrete evidence[\B], who are you going to believe; People who actually give reasons for their point of view, or people that bash the other side for not giving "proof." I want you guys to speculate. I want you to tell me why I'm wrong. But you refuse to, why? I'm assuming you just can't. Why can't we have a normal discussion, and speculate on the date?

read about 2 pages back to the begining of this thread, you said ...

[B]We've given valid reasons as to why his date makes perfect sense, what have you all said? "Oh well he has no proof," [\B]You don't know that, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. Let's just wait through tommorow and see who's right, OK.

and if you say no one has concrete evidence then WHY do you bneleive him if he says he does have it?


let me clarify my position.... i am in no way against you guys im just merely debating how easy it is to get your hopes up when someone throws in some words like FACT, or other persuasive words...


dont wear your hearts on your sleves folks

[Hachima]

Whether the link stays up past the 24th or not I don't know. I just know Square told me that was the last day to sign up.

Anyway the whole "24th" thing was only a minor part of my original post. I'm actully happy that is the only thing that you could even pick out of my post that wasn't true.

The main focus of my post was the beta acceptance process. Hence the title "Beta Test Acceptance"

In a few weeks people are going to start getting accepted as pre-qualified testers but not finalists. This doesn't mean you are in the beta yet though.

I bet most people weren't even aware of this process and I thought I would help people understand it better.

I've played the Japanese version of FFXI. I know Japanese well and can speak and read it just fine. I've helped many people here with translation help so they can play the game. I use this site to be informed about the game. In return I give information that can help inform other people.

[Yoko]

ok now... the only things we are saying is that hachi said a FACTS that 1- he was in beta for sure 2- he KNOWS the closing date for beta applications.

As a matter of fact, its difficult to believe that square, who's SO secret with their future plans, would've let someone leak info about this, AND that this person, instead of taking no risk by talking about this from person to person, would just show-off on one of the dedicated to ffxi website's forum full of hardcore fans...

And also to say that the 24th is the closing date is something pretty much everyone could think of...we're only saying that he just "might" be adding the "fact" part....i got nothing against speculations as i have done quite much in here and its pretty fun also lol....but he DID say it was a fact, and thats what takes him away from those speculation discussions...

Damn, and yes we have no proof that he has no proof.....but hey....if i would know such things, i would be sure to give some explanations about this since i know everyone would wonder about my "facts".....

arf....lets hope we can be fixed soon enough xD!!

EDIT: argh.....he posted while i was writting XD!! so...now we're fixed on the fact that this wasn't a fact lol!! Anyways, while we're at it, do you know how many people will be picked in the process? I'm asking about a FACT lol....

[Kiddish]

I don't comprehend what you're trying to say Kojiro. Nobody has proof is what I said. I said "You don't know that. WE DON'T KNOW THAT." Because we don't. He could possibly have an uncle who's friend's second cousin works at square who wrote him an e-mail telling him the 24th/25th. And he could very well not. I guess it was kind of worded wrong, I truly meant, that we don't know anything, and to make any conclusive statements surrounding is somewhat silly.

But yay! :spin: Thanks for sharing your thoughts Dunneldeen

It's kind of hard to tell with Square, we have the impression that the game is indeed finished, if anything, by the media blitz scored after the release of the application.

Yes, they didn't mention the HDD anywhere, but they didn't specifically mention the actual game either. :sweat: :sweat: We all basically assumed that the HDD would be included with the "kit" they will be providing, as it was with the connectivity test. But since the application speaks nothing of knowing Japanese, and we'll be testing the north american game, you're right that we'd have to have the North American HDD which we're not even sure they've even started producting yet.

Furthermore translation of things may not be so simple as some have made it out to be. I'm no programer, but it doesn't seem farfetched to think that labels and things might require changes to the coding...and changes like that certainly do warrent some form of testing beyond connectivity.

That's true, but apparently the test going on as we speak is the connectivity test, so the beta we are applying for now may in fact be the gameplay test. I think they've micro-tested too much already for them to have another beta. Considering all the major gameplay aspects and connectivity have already been tested, this beta will probably be a mostly fine-tuning (bug catching) test anyway.

If they did have a 3rd beta, then yes they may leave the sign ups open. I doubt they'd leave the applications open. I'm thinking they may have more than enough qualified participants for this beta, so they could just pick and choose from the pre-qualified candidates.

[Talis]

the best thing to do is not post about anything related to beta unless your actually in it, or you will get flamed..

Which is a sad thing to see because a lot of people either

A) Are Telling the Truth, and no one believes them

or,

B) They are lying through there teeth for them to get attention.

Now i am not picking sides here, its just to early to say anything, let us all just wait until one of us actually recieves an e-mail saying we are qualified to be a beta tester, then there wouldn't be this bickering.