How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

[Murphie]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

While you may just be spending time, those jobs are spending time on top of time. The time to acquire the resources x The time spent using it. You might say all jobs are subject to that, but its not by the same degrees of time.

I'm sorry, but your time is no more important just because you had to spend it earning the gil for consumable resources. Get over yourself. You knew what you were in for when you started to level that job, and if you expect anyone other than you to care about that you're in for a rude awakening.

If I'm not seeing good returns on both kinds of time, I'm out whether its by d/c, disbanding outright or saying "Goodbye" when I actully mean something else.

And yet, as we have explained to you several times, one of those methods is worse than the other two. Why? Because in one of them you leave the party hanging. I don't care how bad the party was, or how morally superior you feel to them. The minute you fake a DC instead of just telling them whats up, you lose all moral footing and are the loser in this situation.

[Eohmer]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

I wonder what he/she would do in a PT if someone else all of a sudden "d/c'ed"...
... and wait to see if they are coming back.

[Akashimo]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Heh, I think at the repeatative with why, when and how, this is gonna end in a stalemate until someone brings something new to the table. I know that ain't me <.< >.> <.< >.> <.< >.> <.>â„¢
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I wonder what he/she would do in a PT if someone else all of a sudden "d/c'ed"...
... and wait to see if they are coming back.

Only one way to find out!

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

Bottom line, if you want to keep good karma and stay on the moral high ground:

Politely, kindly, inform your part of your discontent. Offer a solution. Be apologetic and kind in your demeanor. If no one is willing to work w/you, if you get insulted, if you get ignored, politely inform the people you are leaving and disband and warp. Do not invite someone to take your place because, if the party is truly bad, its not fair to the unsuspecting seeker to let him have this spot in a terrible party. They would have a better chance of seeking. Let the party do its own job of partying and find their own replacement, that way, their actions are on their own hands.

Now, this being said, alot of ppl are out to get what they want and don't care about anyone else. Its naive to think everyone in the world will work together for a common goal all the time and do it with integrity.

Don't let that bother you when they don't. Karma is a bitch. BELIEVE me. You can't escape sewing bad seeds. You'll always reap what you so, somewhere down the road. This is an unmistakable truth. I know, I've fake d'ced before when I've lost my cool. I've paid for it when I've built my own parties to have someone say they aren't making the xp / hour they wanted and then fake dc. lol

On a side note, while I applaud the JP player base for taking a so-called noble stance of a "team enviornment" initiative and not disbanding unless all disband, I think that idea is also naive. There are -just- going to be some parties that are not fun to play in. It's not fair to you, as a player, to have to deal w/ whole heaping amounts of other pplz "hang-ups and screw-ups" if such gets to a point where it is intolerable. Sure, give ppl one chance, but you know the old saying "screw me once shame on you, screw me twice.... " yeah.

Anyway, if you don't play this game for fun and relaxation, you really need your head examined.

[Akashimo]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

Bottom line, if you want to keep good karma and stay on the moral high ground:
Politely, kindly, inform your part of your discontent. Offer a solution. Be apologetic and kind in your demeanor. If no one is willing to work w/you, if you get insulted, if you get ignored, politely inform the people you are leaving and disband and warp.

No offense or anything, but that made me lol'd. Seriously though, I haven't seen anyone act that way since ToAU came out and when tard burns became the norm.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

No offense or anything, but that made me lol'd. Seriously though, I haven't seen anyone act that way since ToAU came out and when tard burns became the norm.

Oh its no problem dude. I've come to accept that the general populace of humanity can be summed up in two phrases:

1.) lack of education, and

2.) lack of empathy

Shouldn't everyone do their best to strive to be unlike both?

You're attitude speaks volumes.

[Akashimo]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

Forgot a 3rd, Lack of use of 1 and 2 if those two fail to take effect

[Kholdstare]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

Bottom line, if you want to keep good karma and stay on the moral high ground:

Politely, kindly, inform your part of your discontent. Offer a solution. Be apologetic and kind in your demeanor. If no one is willing to work w/you, if you get insulted, if you get ignored, politely inform the people you are leaving and disband and warp. Do not invite someone to take your place because, if the party is truly bad, its not fair to the unsuspecting seeker to let him have this spot in a terrible party. They would have a better chance of seeking. Let the party do its own job of partying and find their own replacement, that way, their actions are on their own hands.

Now, this being said, alot of ppl are out to get what they want and don't care about anyone else. Its naive to think everyone in the world will work together for a common goal all the time and do it with integrity.

Don't let that bother you when they don't. Karma is a bitch. BELIEVE me. You can't escape sewing bad seeds. You'll always reap what you so, somewhere down the road. This is an unmistakable truth. I know, I've fake d'ced before when I've lost my cool. I've paid for it when I've built my own parties to have someone say they aren't making the xp / hour they wanted and then fake dc. lol

On a side note, while I applaud the JP player base for taking a so-called noble stance of a "team enviornment" initiative and not disbanding unless all disband, I think that idea is also naive. There are -just- going to be some parties that are not fun to play in. It's not fair to you, as a player, to have to deal w/ whole heaping amounts of other pplz "hang-ups and screw-ups" if such gets to a point where it is intolerable. Sure, give ppl one chance, but you know the old saying "screw me once shame on you, screw me twice.... " yeah.

Anyway, if you don't play this game for fun and relaxation, you really need your head examined.

I completely agree. This is, sadly, why games like WoW are beating FFXI. When you force strangers to work together, it ends in tears.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

When you force strangers to work together, it ends in tears.

Were you a part of one of my "group projects" in college too?

[Karinya]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

WoW is beating FFXI because it has a multi-million-dollar marketing blitz behind it and FFXI is practically unmarketed in the US aside from word of mouth. Brand loyalty probably plays a role too - WoW is made by a company that had several previous big-selling games (also heavily marketed) while FFs were always a niche series in the US.

Anyway, who declared this a competition? Both games are hugely successful. The fact that one is more popular doesn't make it better, let alone make other games fail. Some MMOs have failed, but FFXI clearly isn't one of them.


Also, when you don't give players a strong incentive to work together, they don't learn how to work together, and then when they try, they fail. In WoW it's common to see screwups in level 30-40 dungeons that would have gotten you killed in Valkurm. (Instead they get your party killed in [insert high level WoW dungeon here].) Basic party tactics aren't really common until endgame content.

I predict the same for Vanguard. Solo-friendly games lead to a lot of soloing because it's more convenient, which leads to ignorance of party tactics. Then people try to party, screw up, fail, and conclude that partying isn't worthwhile, reinforcing the solo mentality. So the player base fills with ignorant high level n00bs.

[Clever Ninja]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

Let's not turn this into another WoW topic please.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

I completely agree. This is, sadly, why games like WoW are beating FFXI. When you force strangers to work together, it ends in tears.

Lol excellent statement

On side note about this type of situation, when you do happen to get strangers together that are pretty savvy, clever, and witty, it really makes for some amazing pts. That's usually where I meet in-game friends.

So when strangers collide and they mesh well, it can work out beautifully and you can meet some great friends.

[Hantz]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

C'mon now. I'll just say how I do it, and leave it at that. Any other way is bullcrap.

"Forgive me, but the current grouping is delving into an area of efficiency that is leaning towards 'opposite of good.' The way things are going now may or may not give rise to feelings of self mutilation deep within my heart of hearts, but definately lean toward the former, and not the latter. I'm not saying that most of you don't play like you aren't 'not retarded.' I realize the subs you're using offer a fresh perspective in an environment where concepts like 'optimum performance' and 'useful' may seem stale, but that is not my fault either. Thank you for the multitude of seconds in which you nearly helped me. Adieu~."

Then I realize I'm COR/MNK exclusively using darts for damage while spamming my "Provoke" macro in between "Calls for Help."

[Clever Ninja]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

C'mon now. I'll just say how I do it, and leave it at that. Any other way is bullcrap.

"Forgive me, but the current grouping is delving into an area of efficiency that is leaning towards 'opposite of good.' The way things are going now may or may not give rise to feelings of self mutilation deep within my heart of hearts, but definately lean toward the former, and not the latter. I'm not saying that most of you don't play like you aren't 'not retarded.' I realize the subs you're using offer a fresh perspective in an environment where concepts like 'optimum performance' and 'useful' may seem stale, but that is not my fault either. Thank you for the multitude of seconds in which you nearly helped me. Adieu~."

Would you like to buy some Tea and Crumpets +1?

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: How to leave a party without saying &quot;This PT sucks?&quot;

C'mon now. I'll just say how I do it, and leave it at that. Any other way is bullcrap.

"Forgive me, but the current grouping is delving into an area of efficiency that is leaning towards 'opposite of good.' The way things are going now may or may not give rise to feelings of self mutilation deep within my heart of hearts, but definately lean toward the former, and not the latter. I'm not saying that most of you don't play like you aren't 'not retarded.' I realize the subs you're using offer a fresh perspective in an environment where concepts like 'optimum performance' and 'useful' may seem stale, but that is not my fault either. Thank you for the multitude of seconds in which you nearly helped me. Adieu~."

Then I realize I'm COR/MNK exclusively using darts for damage while spamming my "Provoke" macro in between "Calls for Help."

Ok, that calls for a roflmywafflecopter.