The true meaning of Charisma

[TMPikachu]

PROOF that Cha= stronger provoke

my elvaan pulls an orc with a provoke

running for a bit, the galka paladin uses provoke to get it off me

it's still on me. Why? 'Cause Galka got bad Cha, and Elvaan have average, my provoke was a little too effective in power.

[poweryoga]

cha AFFECTS PROVOKE. I did a test with this...

I was the tank and the drg was the puller... he'd pull with voke and i'd try to voke it off with no success. None of us hit it, and we both had no CHR boosting equipment. Elvaan, having higher CHR, held aggro better with provoke.

Have a pld your race/level deck out on +chr equipment. Run a test yourself and you'll be suprised.

[grunion]

the best pld armor in the game (pld and war only) is +20 vit and +20 chr. assuming s-e isn't stupid enough to put a totally useless random stat on the best item in the game, this alone should prove that +chr = +provoke

[Dragon Ghost]

the best pld armor in the game (pld and war only) is +20 vit and +20 chr. assuming s-e isn't stupid enough to put a totally useless random stat on the best item in the game, this alone should prove that +chr = +provoke

Exactly,S-E wouldnt put in a useless stat on one of the best armors...:spin:

[Rico]

Means I gotta be pretty when I get into battle...

[LawDawg]

this is the ONLY way to prove that CHR affects voke/enemity.

Guy A with 0 CHR (no +enemity)
Guy B with 1238712983 CHR (no +enemity)
A.level == B.level (to prevent "aggro hate")

Guy A vokes an enemy first, then immediately Guy B vokes. If Guy B gets hate RIGHT when it vokes, then CHR has effect on voke.

That is all

[LawDawg]

double post

[LawDawg]

Originally posted by TMPikachu
PROOF that Cha= stronger provoke

my elvaan pulls an orc with a provoke

running for a bit, the galka paladin uses provoke to get it off me

it's still on me. Why? 'Cause Galka got bad Cha, and Elvaan have average, my provoke was a little too effective in power.

Originally posted by poweryoga
cha AFFECTS PROVOKE. I did a test with this...

I was the tank and the drg was the puller... he'd pull with voke and i'd try to voke it off with no success. None of us hit it, and we both had no CHR boosting equipment. Elvaan, having higher CHR, held aggro better with provoke.

Have a pld your race/level deck out on +chr equipment. Run a test yourself and you'll be suprised.

there is evidence that the 2nd voke has less of an effect than the first one... it has nothing to do with CHR.... that is why my test (above) is the only way to prove CHR affects voke.

[LawDawg]

please read this thread

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=37450

it will explain why voking works the way it does

[KamaAina]

Originally posted by j0e
the best pld armor in the game (pld and war only) is +20 vit and +20 chr. assuming s-e isn't stupid enough to put a totally useless random stat on the best item in the game, this alone should prove that +chr = +provoke

Paladins do not have provoke.

Sorry but this proves nothing, because SE also does not make gear with your subjob in mind. (this would be promoting a 1 job/subjob for each class (while we the players have done this SE has never endorsed one choice or another it is the player's choice and they wouldn't design something that gave a boost to one subjob over another)


Charisma is really confusing. But I do not think that it effects emnity in either way do you know why? Because if you look at some equipment it just wouldn't make sense.


say it was + emnity
then why do BRDs have gear that gives +CHR but - emnity

if it is - emnity
then why do plds etc. have gear that gives +CHR and + emnity

if it is effects emnity in any way then that means one of these gears has stats that cancel eachother out....which makes absolutley no sense.

Have you ever seen gear that gives like +4 STR - 2 ATK
or how about +2 ACC - 4 DEX

no because it would cancel itself out and just be stupid

[TMPikachu]

Cha does not add emnity

we mean that it powers up a provoke, causing more emnity as a direct result of it.

I think S-E is smart enough to figure out that playing a paladin is playing a pal/war.

even so, warriors can wear that armor too, so they get +cha to help

sorry if it seemed like I said high CHA just meant being more likely to draw hate, period, I meant that it makes for a stronger provoke.

[tonka]

Originally posted by j0e
the best pld armor in the game (pld and war only) is +20 vit and +20 chr. assuming s-e isn't stupid enough to put a totally useless random stat on the best item in the game, this alone should prove that +chr = +provoke

RDM AF: +AGI, + shield skill, + DEX, + parry, +CHARISMA
Summoner AF: +damage, +evasion, +AGI
Thief AF: +parry, + INT
Dragoon AF: +AGI, +MND, +VIT, + parry,
Dark Knight AF: +VIT, +MND, + parry, +evade

Having a +stat on armor doesn't mean prove anything imho.

[Beaginator]

Originally posted by Ungerpurr
Actually, MND is taken into calculation for chi blast damage...one of the reasons why monks have such a (relatively) high MND stat.

Oh really? Didn't know that...

The BRD VIT was probably a bad example too, I was just thinking of normal XP parties...extra VIT can be handy for when you have to sleep lots of mobs.

Anyway, my point is that PLD AF having +CHR isn't proof that CHR has anything to do with hate control...like the person above me posted, lots of AF has stats that aren't terribly useful to the class that wears them.

[grunion]

Originally posted by KamaAina

Paladins do not have provoke.

uh, the good ones do. what good is a PLD who doesn't have sub /war for voke??

Originally posted by KamaAina

say it was + emnity
then why do BRDs have gear that gives +CHR but - emnity
if it is - emnity
then why do plds etc. have gear that gives +CHR and + emnity
if it is effects emnity in any way then that means one of these gears has stats that cancel eachother out....which makes absolutley no sense.

it affects Provoke, the skill, not enmity

Originally posted by tonka


RDM AF: +AGI, + shield skill, + DEX, + parry, +CHARISMA
Summoner AF: +damage, +evasion, +AGI
Thief AF: +parry, + INT
Dragoon AF: +AGI, +MND, +VIT, + parry,
Dark Knight AF: +VIT, +MND, + parry, +evade

Having a +stat on armor doesn't mean prove anything imho.

you left out bard AF, which is probably the worst in the game. but i wasn't talking about AF - i was talking about maybe the best armor in the game. the highest level armors do not have stupid worthless stats like AF does. e.g. errant gear, koenig's gear, etc.

[grunion]

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