The true meaning of Charisma

[Cebastian]

Does anyone knows what CHR really do? I keep hearing it helps bard music resistance and beastmaster's charm resistance, but is that it?

I was wandering, this is more a theory out of the topof my head rather than something based on any proof, but maybe CHR helps any mind altering effect to land better? Like RDM & RDM Sleep? This is how it works on everquest and the fact that this game is extremely based on that one is the only base for my theory.

Another thing, is it posible that CHR = - Enmity? Like the higher CHR you get the lower your Enmity will be? Again this is just out of the top of my head but it would make cense that a monster would be less angry at some one for something if they have higher charisma to get away with it.

[TMPikachu]

Re: The true meaning of Charisma

Originally posted by Cebastian
Does anyone knows what CHR really do? I keep hearing it helps bard music resistance and beastmaster's charm resistance, but is that it?

I was wandering, this is more a theory out of the topof my head rather than something based on any proof, but maybe CHR helps any mind altering effect to land better? Like RDM & RDM Sleep? This is how it works on everquest and the fact that this game is extremely based on that one is the only base for my theory.

Another thing, is it posible that CHR = - Enmity? Like the higher CHR you get the lower your Enmity will be? Again this is just out of the top of my head but it would make cense that a monster would be less angry at some one for something if they have higher charisma to get away with it.

They're both fantasy MMORPG's, that's where the similarity ends (like FFXI 'elves' are very tall and clumsy, FFXI 'dwarves' are huge with tails)

High Charisma= greater emnity caused by provoke.
bard song success rate
beast master taming rate

I think that's it.

[EFigaro]

Proven Uses:
- Charm Beasts
- Helps land debuffs for Bards (Requiem, Elegy, Threnody, etc)

Theorized:
- Helps with Provoke and gaining emnity

All that's really been brought up.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

about the chr & enimty

i think more chr = less hate

thats why you see drk take hates most of the time cuz there chr very low

mob turn to me sometimes when pld dont provok fast even if i still dont draw my weapon

and fafnir helm drop also for pld and war
+7 enimty -7chr


and i can say for that low chr = more hate

but nothing offical yet

[ajg126]

chr- helps summoners too, but more often you will see high lvl smn without +chr equip because +mp equip is better.

[xarddrax]

OR HOW ABOUT THIS!

CHR is mainly for Charm and Songs ONLY (BST and BRD).

No Provoke/hate, No Avatars.

Not hard to understand, stop looking for things that arent there.
Dont like my answers, ask SE then you'll see.
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[Dragon Ghost]

OR HOW ABOUT THIS!

CHR is mainly for Charm and Songs ONLY (BST and BRD).

No Provoke/hate, No Avatars.

Not hard to understand, stop looking for things that arent there.
Dont like my answers, ask SE then you'll see.

wtf........YES CHR effects enmity.......why do you think some PLD gear(such as LV 55 Shield) gives +CHR? For enmity maybe?

[Macht]

Yes, +CHR means -Enmity. You can even try it on some lower level monsters if you don't end up killing it. Using a Ranged Attack on it with high CHR the monster will actually not target you at all or stop targeting you when it gets to you.

I had this occur to my character at least 12 times when leveling RNG and I put on +CHR items for the hell of it. I had one time were I did a RNG attack and 4 Orcs came after me. When they reached me though since I hadn't done another attack since then they all stopped and went on like it was nothing.

It was great got to shoot the same Orc again and kill it and the rest just continued to walk off. What I've noticed that +CHR seems to also help with is the monsters linking, with a high enough +CHR some monsters that normally would link do not.

As for spells like sleep and such +CHR doesn't really help. To improve spells like sleep boosting your element to it or reducing the monsters elmental resistance to it will improve it. Sleep is a Dark element spell, so for like a BLM using elemental seal and a brd using something like Dark Therondy (CHR does effect these) will make a sleep spell land and stick longer.

[Dragon Ghost]

o.O Then why would tanking gear give +CHR?

[Nodoka]

>wtf........YES CHR effects enmity.......why do you think some PLD gear(such as LV 55 Shield) gives +CHR? For enmity maybe?

Why would a Paladin want LESS enmity?

CHR has nothing to do with Enmity at all.


>Using a Ranged Attack on it with high CHR the monster will actually not target you at all or stop targeting you when it gets to you.

Stuff in throngi do that to me all the time. I go farming for mandys there, and I cast poison on them. But they give up quickly. Doesn't mean anything since I dont have ANY enmity stuff. (well I do now, but not when I did those tests)


>What I've noticed that +CHR seems to also help with is the monsters linking, with a high enough +CHR some monsters that normally would link do not.

BS!!!!!

[Cebastian]

OR HOW ABOUT THIS!

CHR is mainly for Charm and Songs ONLY (BST and BRD).

No Provoke/hate, No Avatars.

Not hard to understand, stop looking for things that arent there.
Dont like my answers, ask SE then you'll see.

Well, up to the date SE has only talked about other stats. They have not talked at all about Enmity or CHR. Nor have they officialy stated what helps enfebling magic to stick. They officialy told INT helps do more damage with magic but that was about it.

If you know of a way to ask SE directly, please let us know so we can ask them and get a reply.

The reason i am looking for this info is not because i am "seeing things", it is because the stat MUST be used somewhere else too, just 2 jobs being able to benefit at all from a stat all jobs have is something i cant believe. Specialy if these jobs are advanced ones. No basic job uses CHR? there MUST be something there.

Why would a Paladin want LESS enmity?

Maybe no one really, but there are loads of items that give you some great stat with a tradoff. Truth is no one wants -MND as it gives magic resistance (and non-tanks are more exposed to magic area attacks than mele attacks) but there are quiet a few items that five DEX or Attack and take away MND.

It is a tradeoff, you give up something you can use in exchange of something you do want to use.

PLD using -50 MP + 50hp items is another example (not sure if that was the right number). With 50MP they can heal way more than 50HP, why do that? Well they may be silenced, they may be stuned, so they may think that overal for them having extra HP is better than MP even if in most situations i can think off it is inferior.

[Beaginator]

CHR affects two things:

1. How often offensive Bard songs (Requeim, Elegy, Threnody, etc.) will be resisted.

2. How often the Beastmaster ability Charm will be resisted.

That's it. Really. CHR is only proven to be useful for BRDs and BSTs, and only for those two reasons. I have never seen any reliable evidence that CHR affects anything other than that.

I know PLD AF has +CHR, but every class's AF has stat boosts that are mostly useless for the class. For example, BRD AF has +VIT. Why would a BRD would want +VIT? No idea. This doesn't mean that more VIT makes songs more effective, or some bullshit like that. Also, Monk AF gives +MND. This doesn't mean that MND affects any of a MNK's abilities, it's just another illogical AF stat boost by Square.

[Ungerpurr]

Actually, MND is taken into calculation for chi blast damage...one of the reasons why monks have such a (relatively) high MND stat.

[Cebastian]

Why would a BRD would want +VIT? No idea.

Vit = .5 DEF
It also reduces the max posible damage done to you.

If playing croud control for EFs and other activities i really can use all the Vit and Def i can get as I will get hurt a lot. Thing is if i try to sing sleep on a sleeping monster it awakens, so i have to wait until they awake to start sleeping it again, and i will get one or 2 hits in the process. Not to mention if they resist...

Of course, subbing ninja helps a lot on that.

[Cebastian]

oh forgot to mention, my point there is that most jobs have some use for almost any stat. But CHR still is only exclusively proven for 2 jobs.

I honestly would like there was a way to ask SE directly about this and they would reply... maybe some website should try all they can for an interview and throw that one question [hint hint]