True Alchemy Guide 0-87

[Vyuru]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

they sell like flowing molasses in winter

[Mhurron]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

Just as an example of why I don't think much of this guide:



As I recall, the Cermet Chunk caps at 51, 56, and 57 come from making them with doll, magic pot, and golem shards. You've only listed that they come from magic pots.

There is some decent options in there, I used Vitriol myself for example. But for the most part this guide isn't that good.

Plus if you are a lvl 87 alchemist you should already have the next 13 levels mapped out and be able to give your opinion as to what would be good and what you will be doing.

Oh it's worse then just that.

Alternate craft
Ice Arrowheads (57)
Ice Crystal + Copper Ingot x1 + Cermet Chunk x1
Cost (Kujata): 5,315
Profit (NQ): -3,800
Profit (HQ3): -2,285
You're skilling up so the HQ can pretty much be considered to not happen and they sell like flowing molasses in winter. Spot sampling several servers shows pretty much the same thing.

The only person more clueless then the OP is the person that would follow this guide.

[Vyuru]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

Just as an example of why I don't think much of this guide:

51-56-57
Cermet Chunk (56)
Fire Crystal + Magic Pot Shard x4
Farm the shards from Magic Pots

As I recall, the Cermet Chunk caps at 51, 56, and 57 come from making them with doll, magic pot, and golem shards. You've only listed that they come from magic pots.

There is some decent options in there, I used Vitriol myself for example. But for the most part this guide isn't that good.

Plus if you are a lvl 87 alchemist you should already have the next 13 levels mapped out and be able to give your opinion as to what would be good and what you will be doing.

[Sabaron]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

I think his goal here wasn't neccessarily to make gil, its just showing some easier to farm item used in alchemy. This is the guide for people that don't look for the best profit for a synth, but simply use what they find.... its not a very good guide mind you, but that is about all i'm gathering from it.

Nah, you have to keep up with his other posts... He was complaining in another thread about how he couldn't make money selling Wax Swords and that the fact that the gilseller crafter population has been decimated by STFU so all the prices are bad and that all he wanted to do in life was make money selling gil instead of having a real job....

To answer the question of gilsales:

If you are an American (or live in any non-communist 1st world country like Canada or in Europe), you can't make a living wage selling gil. Gilsellers in China work horrible shifts (probably 12-16 hours, probably 6-7 days a week) just to be peasants. This is why I had to mention food stamps... because you will need them if you're looking for a career in gilsales. According to the last in-game gilseller tell that I received (which I immediately reported to GM btw), a million gil is going for $39.99 and I can receive a discount by "acting now", iirc....

It takes a good long while to make a million gil. If you're mining, it would take approximately 24 hours or 30 pick stacks to mine up the 3 Khroma ores that you would need. Gil doesn't grow on trees. In order to make McDonalds money ($7.50/hr):

25000gil = $1.00

Minimum Wage = $7.50 * 25000 = 187,500.

You have to make 200k per hour just to get McDonalds money, and that's ifyou are selling the gil yourself for full retail price! Most gilsellers don't get paid anywhere near $1.00/25k. Therefore, if you only get half of it from the gil bank you're selling to (keep in mind I have no idea what gil banks pay for gil), then you have to make 400k per hour...........

400k per hour to be equivalent to a full-time McD's burger flipper at current prices. Remember that if you inflate the economy, then the gilbanks have to sell gil for a lower conversion rate because it takes more money to buy the same thing (which is what you were suggesting we allow in the other thread). I don't expect you to understand the mechanics of inflation, though, so don't bother trying.

Gilselling is not a viable career in a 1st world non-communist country.

[Mhurron]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

I think his goal here wasn't neccessarily to make gil, its just showing some easier to farm item used in alchemy. This is the guide for people that don't look for the best profit for a synth, but simply use what they find.... its not a very good guide mind you, but that is about all i'm gathering from it.

And like to loose gil, you forgot that, it's a guide to loosing gil. Following this guide is going to put you in the hole by a lot.

[meSchnitzel]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

I think his goal here wasn't neccessarily to make gil, its just showing some easier to farm item used in alchemy. This is the guide for people that don't look for the best profit for a synth, but simply use what they find.... its not a very good guide mind you, but that is about all i'm gathering from it.

[Sabaron]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

If you are looking for an Alchemy guide there are plenty of good ones available; as a 100+3 Alchemist, I strongly recommend against using this one.

His low-level choices are bad (and I'm not going to pick out all of the errors)... Tsurara are made from Rock salt and Ice crystals which are both very cheap AND they are actually profitable.

Attempting to fish up enough Cobalt Jellies to make Mercury for skill up would require you to work like a gilseller for hours and hours and hours and hours or have already levelled fishing to the point where you could rig them successfully. (I don't know anything about fishing btw).

Making poison dust would be retarded when you could be making Silencing Potions from the mercury you just made for your previous levels... You can buy Poison Dust from the goblin and Jeuno, synth it and make money without leaving Lower Jeuno because the wonderful thing about Poison Potions is that (a) you can't HQ them so high-level crafters can't shut you out even if you only have 18 skill, (b) everyone uses them to block sleep attacks, (c) the materials are cheap and readily available.

I think the only reason you're having trouble making gil doing alchemy (even low level), is that you're completely oblivious to all business opportunities.

I could walk up to you and ask if you wanted to buy a Hagun for 300,000gil and you'd say {No thanks!} I'm not a Samurai!

I also have to revoke the Gilseller title I gave you since you're obviously not intelligent enough to make money selling gil.

[Durahansolo]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

Go die, gilseller.

Ark what makes your guide "True" as compaired to the 1-100 and the other guides already on this site and on ffxiclopedia? Some of your recipes aren't gil or material efficient and some don't list all the details. For example, if you do Animas you have to have the Anima Synthesis guild enhancement.

[Sabaron]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

Go die, gilseller. There are better guides in many forms all over the internet.


Start here:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Category:Alchemy

[Arkitan1]

Re: True Alchemy Guide 0-87

And yet no praise for my hard ass work! =/

Ark

[Arkitan1]

This guide is simply how to farm your items and skill up.

0-5
Beeswax Alchemy (5)
Fire Crystal + Beehive Chip x3 + Distilled Water x1
You can farm bees while you level any job, and skilll up while you farm.

5-9
Cornstarch Alchemy (9)
Lighting Crystal + Millioncorn x1
Ingredients are cheap to buy and easy to craft

9-11/12
Poison Dust Alchemy (11) (12)
Lightning Crystal + Giant Stinger (11)
Lightning Crystal + Yellow Globe (12)
Giant Stingers from bees, globes can be fished or bought, very cheap

11/12-16
Mercury Alchemy (16)
Lightning Crystal + Cobalt Jellyfish
Can be fished or bought, I did both

16-18/21
Poison Potion Alchemy (18)
Water Crystal + Poison Dust + Mercury
Use what you made from previous bridges to make these and then sell stacks on the AH for profit.

Alternate bridge

Glass Fiber Alchemy (21)
Lighting Crystal + Goblin Mask
Certain goblins will drop these, just farm gobs and theyll drop these.
Keep for prism powders later.

21-27
Blinding Potion Alchemy (27)
Water Crystal + Sleepshroom x1 + Poison Flour x1 + Crying Mustard x1
Sleepshrooms are farmed from fungaurs, poison flours are bought from the gob merchant in jueno, and the mustard from the cooking guild.
Sell stacks on the AH for profit or keep for blind bolt heads, next recipe.

27-31
Blind Bolt Heads Alchemy (31), Smithing (14)
Wind Crystal + Animal Glue x1 + Bronze Ingot x1 + Blinding Potion x1
Animal Glues can be crafted, Bronze Ingots can be bought at the guild for near nothing, and potions can be crafted from previous bridge.

Alternate Bridge

27-34
Artificial Lens Alchemy (34)
Fire Crystal + Glass Fiber x2
Use this recipe in conjunction with prism powders and sell powder stacks on the AH.

31-38
Bronze Bullet (38) Smithing (13)
Fire Crystal + Bronze Ingot x1 + Firesand x1
Bronze Ingots can be bought for near nothing at guild as mentioned before, and firesand can be bought at the guild or crafted

Alternate craft
31-39
Firesand Alchemy (39)
Earth Crystal + Bomb Ash x1 + Yuhtunga Sulfur x1
Bomb Ash can be farmed off of any bomb, Yuhtunga Sulfur can be farmed off of low-level mandys.

38/39-41/42
Vitriol Alchemy (42)
Water Crystal + Treant Bulb x2
Treant Bulbs are farmed from any sapling type mob. Save for acid bolt heads

Alternate craft

Prism Powder Alchemy (41)
Light Crystal + Glass Fiber x2 + Artificial Lens
Use the fibers you crafted from the gob masks and craft the lenses

42-45
Carbon Fiber (45)
Lighting Crystal + Bomb Ash x4
Bomb Ash are farmed from any bomb.

45-51
Holy Water (51)
Light Crystal + Distilled Water x1
Just craft this item from cheap Distilled Water that you buy from merchants.

51-56-57
Cermet Chunk (56)
Fire Crystal + Magic Pot Shard x4
Farm the shards from Magic Pots

Alternate craft
Ice Arrowheads (57)
Ice Crystal + Copper Ingot x1 + Cermet Chunk x1
Copper Ingots are the starter craft for smithing and use the chunks from the above craft to make these.

56/57-61/62

Glass Fiber (61)
Fire Crystal + Flint Stone x8
This is the other Glass Fiber recipe. Just make these from random flint stone drops and turn them into prism powders to sell.

Alternate Craft

Venom Dust (61)
Lightning Crystal + Scorpion Claw x2
Farm scorps for the claws, most of all of them are 100% drops.

61-68

Venom Potion (68)
Water Crystal + Venom Dust x1 + Mercury x1
Use the dust you just crafted with mercuries you can craft till you hit around 68.

68-75

Animas Alchemy (75)
Associated Crystal + Mercury x1 + Rock Salt x1 + Sulfur x1 + Associated Memory x4
Rock Salts can be farmed from crabs but are really cheap to not waste your time unless of course you are leveling off of crabs anyways. I found it to be too tedious.
Worms in Dangruf Wadi drop them but easier to just buy them off the guild.
Memories can be farmed in the promy areas.

75-83
Polyflan (83)
Light Crystal + Chimera Blood x1 + Flan Meat x1
Flan Meat can be farmed but easier to just buy off of AH per stack. Use profit that you made with potions to buy these and the blood. Its what I did.

83-87
Holy Leather (87)
Light Crystal + Ram Leather x1 + Holy Water x1
Only way I know how to get ram leathers is to find a leathercrafter friend and have him craft them for you, you can farm ram skins from the ones in the highlands or plateau. You can craft the water.

Until I get higher, I wont be able to give much more.