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  • #16
    I am also an "NA" player. But like a few people I know, and UNlike many many I've come across in the game, I took the time to learn things about jobs, etc. before it was even released in the US. I took an interest in learning new things, and I still do today. Whenever I have problems with people I am the first to bite my tongue and say to myself "let it go."

    I am courteous in all that I do, and whenever I am doing something that requires more than just myself, I try very hard to work together with people that have similar goals, not just begging someone who can solo it with ease to help me out and hand it to me on a platter.

    I rarely check players, and on the occasion I feel I really want to see their gear, I will ask via /tell first. While I don't understand it, I am considerate enough to respect their opinion on such things.

    I do not participate in ridiculous /shout conversations. On occasion I will send /tells to those people to please take it to /tell and stop making fools out of the NA players.

    I level my subjobs and take pride in the countless hours I have spent farming for good gear.

    I never leave party without at least a 45 minute warning.

    I have never begged for anything at all.

    I read the chat log, I pay attention to what is going on in a party. I obsess over effiency and skill chains.

    I stopped learning Japanese years ago but took up an interest again after buying this game.

    I am EMBARASSED by many of the NA players out there.

    And most of all, when I joined this game I realized it is a JP game, and the JP/Importers had already developed an economy, a community, a "system" of how things worked and what was good/bad ettiquette. I realized that they created a very happy online world and I did not want to ruin that. I tried very hard and I still try very hard to adapt to these standards... so in reading this... despite any efforts I have made to learn your ways and become accepted... I feel very sad and unwanted.

    I do not think I am the only one.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by peacemaker
      I don't play much anymore, logging into the game is like logging into a ghetto simulation program, its depressing.

      hasghsargfaervgfwgfraqfreargeargaerg

      oh god, peace
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Taoist
        this is how world war 2 started...
        people start pointing fingers and eventually someone gets stuffed in a gas chamber
        Wow, that was retarded.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Taoist
          this is how world war 2 started...
          people start pointing fingers and eventually someone gets stuffed in a gas chamber



          Please dont turn this into a flame thread.. thats Why I posted this in this section of the forums.. since a lot of folks will take it the wrong way. Im not pointing fingers..we had some bad players on Rag when i was there and a few on Ramuh ..Brandon anyone..
          But I was just really frustrated by the way things turned out is all.
          Im still trying its just so hard sometimes.

          Originally posted by Legionnaire
          The thing is that I'm "NA" and NO ONE taught me how to do anything. I was on my own until I got to the point where I needed to get the Khazam keys. That was when I got my first real linkshell with people who have played the game a while. I learned a lot from them, but it wasn't til after I unlocked my Drk that I realized how crappy a player I was. I made a change then and did the best I absolutely could from then on. Never found a good FFXI website til this one. Allakhazam was ok, had a lot of information(most of the time it was wrong) but the people there seemed like idiots (in the forums I mean). But frankly this thread just makes me feel even more unwanted than I do already. I wish they had made NA-only servers. ; ;

          Dont feel that way..many good Na players are alive on Ramuh and other servers.. sadly you only hear about the bad ones.. and this week was just that last straw for me. Its funny I made more NA friends during the last matsuri, than over the time the NA version was released.. that 1 hr between waiting on moogle to reset is a good way to know people.

          I dont want anyone to feel as bad as i did this week..but it got to me.. Good players I like.. bad players.....


          Originally posted by morkai
          I am also an "NA" player. But like a few people I know, and UNlike many many I've come across in the game, I took the time to learn things about jobs, etc. before it was even released in the US. I took an interest in learning new things, and I still do today. Whenever I have problems with people I am the first to bite my tongue and say to myself "let it go."

          I am courteous in all that I do, and whenever I am doing something that requires more than just myself, I try very hard to work together with people that have similar goals, not just begging someone who can solo it with ease to help me out and hand it to me on a platter.

          I rarely check players, and on the occasion I feel I really want to see their gear, I will ask via /tell first. While I don't understand it, I am considerate enough to respect their opinion on such things.

          I do not participate in ridiculous /shout conversations. On occasion I will send /tells to those people to please take it to /tell and stop making fools out of the NA players.

          I level my subjobs and take pride in the countless hours I have spent farming for good gear.

          I never leave party without at least a 45 minute warning.

          I have never begged for anything at all.

          I read the chat log, I pay attention to what is going on in a party. I obsess over effiency and skill chains.

          I stopped learning Japanese years ago but took up an interest again after buying this game.

          I am EMBARASSED by many of the NA players out there.

          And most of all, when I joined this game I realized it is a JP game, and the JP/Importers had already developed an economy, a community, a "system" of how things worked and what was good/bad ettiquette. I realized that they created a very happy online world and I did not want to ruin that. I tried very hard and I still try very hard to adapt to these standards... so in reading this... despite any efforts I have made to learn your ways and become accepted... I feel very sad and unwanted.

          I do not think I am the only one.


          People like you I will team with no problem, as you seem to know the game and did the research. Its just that I get so sick of everyone in the PT trying to lead and not willing to listen. And when it results in bad playing, death, and reputation lost its hurts.

          In FFXI more than anyother game your rep will hinder your enjoyment alot.. and when you damage someones reputation NA/JP or other.. it can hurt them alot.
          Dont feel unwanted.. Its just we want good players and not the 1337 D00dz.
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          • #20
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            Flagging JE just gives me the creeps whenever I do it.
            If I ever do PT w/ english They're usually people from my friends list or LS. To many bad experiences.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cedric
              hasghsargfaervgfwgfraqfreargeargaerg

              oh god, peace
              We can look at this positively:

              Bad FFXI day=drink more beer=higher profit for breweries=lower unemployment=higher consumer spending=global economic boom=world peace and prosperity

              /deny <Reality>

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                • #23
                  The current pathetic state of the game is not NA players' fault, it is Square's fault. If they had spent the money wasted on developing that very useful translator to buying new servers instead of forcefully integrating players from different cultures, everyone would have been better off. They could have chosen 1 or 2 servers for those people who voluntarily want to play with people from other countries to world shift there, but forcing us all to deal with a massive influx of NA players was a blatant disregard of customer respect.

                  But I do agree with the point that it was a business decision that is more or less inevitable. Square needs to, well, wants to maximize profit, the game has been out for a while, some of the original JP players have already begun quitting even before NA release (obviously a lot more are leaving in flocks after), it is a matter of time before all the servers are replaced with NA players, like PSO. If they had limited the NA intrusion of the 1st generation servers, they might have been able to keep a lot more of the original customers from quitting, but that didn't happen because they wanted to optimize every single byte of the existing servers.

                  So, now they are making money from the NA customers, which would happen anyway simply due to the popularity of the Final Fantasy brand name in the NA region, but they are losing JP customers, which could have been prevented by not integrating. While the server optimizing and culture integrating model works in theory, it doesn't work in practice. They are not losing money right now, but they could be making more if they hadn't integrated the servers.

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                  • #24
                    I am inclined to agree with peace's above comments. The culture mixing just didn't work.

                    Thanks Yyg!

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                    • #25
                      I see having NA-only servers creating new troubles unless they actually established them in NA. Can you imagine the flames and bitching on these forums if some high lvl JPN HNMLS started fresh on a NA server. Good god.

                      The only difference is suddenly they would be on what is overall considered NA servers unlike now where alot of JPN and importers see the servers as theirs. It's understandable since you have to now share what was once yours with an arguably "younger" generation that doesn't know all the unspoken rules established in game already. Note: I use the term younger because the majority of the NA community I find is still not that experienced in the world of Vanadiel.

                      I do agree that many NA players don't treat this game with the same "respect" that many JP and Import players do. To them it is just a game, play it till you "beat" it. To the JP it seems to be more of a hobby, something you invest your time in and watch your on-line avatar grow and develop. Granted these are just general observations that not every players adheres to. I don't believe either is right or wrong but I play more along the lines of treating this as a hobby. Playing this game just to get to the high-end content and burn out in under a year doesn't appeal to me.


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                      • #26
                        I do agree that many NA players don't treat this game with the same "respect" that many JP and Import players do. To them it is just a game, play it till you "beat" it. To the JP it seems to be more of a hobby, something you invest your time in and watch your on-line avatar grow and develop. Granted these are just general observations that not every players adheres to. I don't believe either is right or wrong but I play more along the lines of treating this as a hobby. Playing this game just to get to the high-end content and burn out in under a year doesn't appeal to me.
                        I like that. I didnt' see it before as a "hobby" as opposed to "just beating the game." There would be such a huge difference if people started this game as more fo a hobby, but of course, it stiil is just a game.

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                        • #27
                          I think one of the largest problems amongst NA players, and even more prominately in the PS2 release NA players, is that they (we?) got too much handed to them.
                          "I can't seem to get decent XP, oh well, thats what powerlevelers are for"
                          "Oh noes, getting a Subjob is hard, but alas, my nice JP friend with a L63 THF said they would help me."
                          "You mean I need a alliance of people my level to get my AF1? Screw that, nice JP friend with a 70RDM will help ^^"
                          "Level 40 is sooo far away, can't you just help me get my airship pass now?"
                          So on, so forth. We were willing to take, high levels were willing to give. That system worked against the intended system of building a community through such quests and resulted in a sort of codependence that was unhealthy for the community as a whole.
                          When PS2 came out and there were high levels in abundance who natively spoke the same language as the influx of lowbies, this problem became even larger. By "helping" newer players establish themselves, older players can all but cripple that process at times by putting some players barely a step ahead of the guy thats never touched FFXI before and buys a L70 character offline.
                          As cliche as it is, the saying "give a man to fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime" rings true in this case--when are you going to learn the importance and intricacies of renkeis if you have someone to back up a gimp PT and get you through the bad times without having to learn much.
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                          • #28
                            ya know, this really goes both ways :| today was one of the worst days in game that I've had in my expreriences in FFXI. I was shocked to no extent by the rudeness that I was treated with by a group of japanese players. Me and a friend of mine (Atrapos, 71 blm also on this board) formed a pt of the following set up:

                            NIN/WAR (Japanese)
                            DRK/THF (me)
                            RNG/NIN (Japanese)
                            WHM/BLM (Japanese)
                            BLM/WHM (Atrapos)
                            RDM/BLM (NA, in an HNM LS)

                            PT was 70-72, we didn't have moon access, some people didn't have CoP, and we had a RNG so nono to KRT. We decide to go to Kuftal. The NIN starts throwing a shit fit in Katakana (big mistake guys-don't assume that katakana means we can't understand you) that we are idiots, Kuftal sucks, this pt is gonna suck, and all NA players are total morons. He told our RNG not to use his O-Bow but use his Trial Bow (which is he did, I'm satisfied when I outdmg a good RNG, but when a RNG is doing 50 less than me per shot...600 Sidewinders and 300 Arching Arrows...it sucked, hard), and just ragged on us for the next 2 hours. The WHM made a habit of picking on our BLM because they claim he "overnukes" (which is rediculous, he didn't cast a single III spell the entire pt unless it was Firaga 3 for MB and soon as he cast a simple Bio II the NIN lost hate, I think he did this on purpose to make the other two JP players think he was overnuking) So me and the BLM were the primary damage dealers in this pt...the RNG refused to pull at a decent pace so we couldn't get chains passed 5. We decided we were gonna wait till the end of the pt then tell them we had understood everything they had said (did I mention they didn't even congradulate us NA's for lvling?) So, we did just that, the NIN who instagated all of this just /pointed and /laughed at us all as the BLM D2'd them...

                            At this point we are pissed. These people arn't even in a JP HNM LS, they were horrible players, yet they gave us attitudes like no other and were the most disrespectful bunch I've ever seen.Funny, we managed 4500 an hour and constant chain 5's even with their atempts to play as crappy as possible. 30 minutes later Atrapos sends me a /t "I got another JP pt...same RNG as last time" pt was the same set up escept with a PLD tank. Now the RNG is thrilled to go to Kuftal (she wasn't before) and has an O-Bow, np! Holy Bolts/Venom Bolts instead of crappy arrows I was uing before? np! pulling just fine? np! The DRK in that pt, was also extremely gimp and retarded, yet because of his ethnicity he was treated much kinder than we were -_-;

                            ...You know, I fear what you guys really say in JP/importer pts about us 1 odd NA member is in the pt now about us...before this I've always been complemented by my JP pt's and even invited several more times by the same person, but these people...I've lost respect :|
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                            • #29
                              Couple weeks ago(or was it a month+ i dont remember lol) had such a funny experience. Russta and I made an LS PT and had 4 people so far, both NA and importer. We ended up inviting a JP pld and a JP blm. The pld was pretty nice and talked in english a little till the blm sorta "scolded" him in JP which made him just stop talking for a bit. Russta noticed the blm put up in katakana after being invited <Fuck I got invited to another crappy gaijin PT>. Russta and I talked for a bit and decided to call him out, so russta said his search comment in straight english then "Oh schnaps the blinged out gaijins understand japanese." After that the JP blm took down that search comment and became quiet and did his job. The JP pld put up a comment "I like Hurry Potter and English" and started talking in the little english he knew again. Ended up being a great PT lol.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ClydeArrowny
                                Couple weeks ago(or was it a month+ i dont remember lol) had such a funny experience. Russta and I made an LS PT and had 4 people so far, both NA and importer. We ended up inviting a JP pld and a JP blm. The pld was pretty nice and talked in english a little till the blm sorta "scolded" him in JP which made him just stop talking for a bit. Russta noticed the blm put up in katakana after being invited <Fuck I got invited to another crappy gaijin PT>. Russta and I talked for a bit and decided to call him out, so russta said his search comment in straight english then "Oh schnaps the blinged out gaijins understand japanese." After that the JP blm took down that search comment and became quiet and did his job. The JP pld put up a comment "I like Hurry Potter and English" and started talking in the little english he knew again. Ended up being a great PT lol.
                                Haha, that's great. I can read Katakana, but I can't really understand much japanese, and whenever the JP's in my groups say stuff like that I always call them out.
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