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Originally posted by Firewind View PostGuys, please try to stay on topic.
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Originally posted by Firewind View Post1) Mezlo hasn't actually performed a downright evil action. Morally questionable actions? Who in the party hasn't performed a Grey action? Actions that would make us think he's outright evil? I would argue no. I would be happy with it remaining Chaotic Neutral.
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Also, I wonder if Yyg will argue as vehemently with Fire as he did with me.
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Fire, I wonder if he will stay on topic or bring up how much he hates it when you bring up My little Pony references in game, like he complained to me about you last week. We shall see... Hopefully stay on subject like we had asked him...
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Guys, please try to stay on topic. The discussion is "What is Mezlo's alignment and should it really be any different?"
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1) Mezlo hasn't actually performed a downright evil action. Morally questionable actions? Who in the party hasn't performed a Grey action? Actions that would make us think he's outright evil? I would argue no. I would be happy with it remaining Chaotic Neutral.
2) Alignment doesn't make the character. Alignment is more a very simple summary of a character's personality, moral and ethical compass and the decisions that they make. Take my character as an example. Lili is Chaotic Good and is a character than can be relied on to do the right thing despite being greedy, a bit selfish and a show off (I do make a point of having Lili perform attention seeking and awesome looking actions and do it often). Saving Mezlo from bleeding out was one big point. I didn't do that because "Oh I'm Chaotic Good and a Chaotic Good PC wouldn't let someone die" I did it because that is what my character would have done regardless of her current arbitrary alignment description.
Seriously, alignment debates are why I'm glad that 4E just changed it to "Good, Unaligned and Evil" and 5E is doing away with it altogether. The biggest mistake I see is people RPing to an alignment when really the alignment is just the result of your actions and your character's personality and moral and ethical compass.
3) If anything Yyg has his eyes on me and/or Cid most of all, especially with some of the shenanigans we try to get past him.
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Originally posted by Yygdrasil View PostNo. You're right. It's not. Taking a chance and firing a crossbow from behind the rogue after being warned about the repercussions... and then complaining that it's not your fault that you killed him. That's crying.
Killing Adam and then arguing that it wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face. That's crying.
Trying to convince me that you can fire an arrow through 100% fog cover and hit a target who has moved since the last time you could actually see him and then complaining that I won't let you. That's crying.
Casting your very first Fireball for low damage and then swearing off fireballs for the rest of your life because your bow is better damage. That's crying.
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Taking personal offense against Cid for trying to bullrush you when he watched you shoot a bolt into the back of Fire's head. That's crying.
Thinking everyone is out to get you and spewing you neurotic theories all over this forum and during the middle if each session. That's crying.
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and what neurotic theories do you speak of?
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you know what, it doesn't matter. unless you feel like continuing to attack me and my game play let's just end this and carry on. i won't change my character's game play however because you deemed to change my alignment. I'm going to continue playing exactly how I have been. And this should be fine with you since you think I've been playing from the chaotic / evil alignment anyways.
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and please call or PM me if you'd like to take this conversation further, you critiquing my game play and comments made during game play hardly merits "important notices."
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Originally posted by Mezlo View PostAnd me voicing my opinion of a change you plan to implement is hardly crying...
Killing Adam and then arguing that it wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face. That's crying.
Trying to convince me that you can fire an arrow through 100% fog cover and hit a target who has moved since the last time you could actually see him and then complaining that I won't let you. That's crying.
Casting your very first Fireball for low damage and then swearing off fireballs for the rest of your life because your bow is better damage. That's crying.
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Taking personal offense against Cid for trying to bullrush you when he watched you shoot a bolt into the back of Fire's head. That's crying.
Thinking everyone is out to get you and spewing you neurotic theories all over this forum and during the middle if each session. That's crying.
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Originally posted by Yygdrasil View Post"We'll see what you come up with next to throw at the Mez... /popcorn"
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Originally posted by Yygdrasil View PostYou cry and cry and cry about being singled out and targeted
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See this is what I don't get. You cry and cry and cry about being singled out and targeted and then you do this brazen arrogance thing where you say "Bring it on! Challenge the NAW!" or "Yes! Nerf the DAW! He is a threat to us all!" and even better... "We'll see what you come up with next to throw at the Mez... /popcorn"
Dude you can't complain that someone is targeting you and then paint a big red bullseye on your back.
You want me to nerf you? I can nerf you and make everyone else a god with one or 2 small tricks. Will I? Nope. Why? Because I'm not targeting you.
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm also closely watching Armando's actions and determining if it's necessery to alter his alignment as well. Is he Good? Yes, he has nothing but the best intentions in mind. Is he Lawful? It's iffy. For instance, from where he was standing when you shot Firewind, it looked like cold-blooded murder (hence Cid charging you with the battlecry "you bastard"). Why then, would a Lawful Good Cleric, seeing this happen, do nothing to try and interrogate you afterword? Looked to him like you broke the law. Not only that, you broke the law AND killed a party member. He also hasn't chastized the rogues for their thefts... or Jarre for... idk... trying to stuff an old woman in a backpack. Torture, Armor spikes, pinning living creatures to the wall with immovable rods? Nothing about that sounds lawful. Greater GOOD? Poissble... Lawful? No.
Rest assured I'm not JUST watching you.
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LOL, ok... But don't cut and paste what the definitions of Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Evil are, and then say that my character is more evil based upon being predictable, killing Fire by accident, and then not showing remorse in the middle of a fight where we were being bombarded by fireballs. Thinking back on all the sessions we've had, my character is much more aligned with the Chaotic Neutral side rather than the Evil side. But do what you wish.Last edited by Mezlo; 11-30-2012, 03:23 PM.
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Originally posted by Mezlo View Postyou said, well fuck it, if you fail this time you hit fire. For what reason you decided to abandon the way you normally call critical failures and change to this
Something unfavorable happened to your character. Get over it. Have I nerfed you? No. If anything, I just gave you a free ticket to not have to take shit from the party the next time you kill a party member.
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Originally posted by Mezlo View PostAre you going to get on Armando now for grappling??? Oh wait, probably not. He's kind of predictable with that though don't you think?
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Originally posted by Mezlo View PostBut to try and force party members to be at odds with one another, and to try and ostracize and alienate certain party members is a bit petty, even for you.
What I'm doing is what is what I feel needs to be done to stabalize the rational behind your character's actions.
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Originally posted by Yygdrasil View PostI appologize for not letting you pick "Communist" as a class.
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Originally posted by Yygdrasil View PostYou're UNpredictable huh? So you mean to tell me that when we enter the next room, your first action isnt going to be "Gravity bow" and your second isnt going to be "Attack the biggest looking threat with a crossbow attack"?
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Originally posted by Mezlo View PostUNPREDICTABLE
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Originally posted by Yygdrasil View PostYou killed Fire... and regardless if it was an accident or not, you remained unphased by your actions. I think the most emotional reaction you had was "My bad". Lack of remorse. Lack of guilt. Lack of compassion. Lack of regret. Lack of emotion in general.
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Originally posted by Mezlo View PostIf anything, that was a reflex move to keep him from hoarding the treasure to himself sinc he wouldn't share the treasure with the party, which is my character's main goal, to divide all treasure evenly among us, which my character made quite obvoius.
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