Important Notices

[Jarre]

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He also hasn't chastized the rogues for their thefts... or Jarre for... idk... trying to stuff an old woman in a backpack. .

In Armando's defence that old women was extreemly stubbon, anoying and holding us back, even good people can get anoyed and tired with others, he just wouldn't do it himself. Though he did say he wouldn't let me do that, hence why she was never stuffed into my backpack.

[Mezlo]

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Guys, please try to stay on topic.

{Yes please.}

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1) Mezlo hasn't actually performed a downright evil action. Morally questionable actions? Who in the party hasn't performed a Grey action? Actions that would make us think he's outright evil? I would argue no. I would be happy with it remaining Chaotic Neutral.

100% correct

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Also, I wonder if Yyg will argue as vehemently with Fire as he did with me.

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Fire, I wonder if he will stay on topic or bring up how much he hates it when you bring up My little Pony references in game, like he complained to me about you last week. We shall see... Hopefully stay on subject like we had asked him...

[Firewind]

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Guys, please try to stay on topic. The discussion is "What is Mezlo's alignment and should it really be any different?"

3 points:

1) Mezlo hasn't actually performed a downright evil action. Morally questionable actions? Who in the party hasn't performed a Grey action? Actions that would make us think he's outright evil? I would argue no. I would be happy with it remaining Chaotic Neutral.

2) Alignment doesn't make the character. Alignment is more a very simple summary of a character's personality, moral and ethical compass and the decisions that they make. Take my character as an example. Lili is Chaotic Good and is a character than can be relied on to do the right thing despite being greedy, a bit selfish and a show off (I do make a point of having Lili perform attention seeking and awesome looking actions and do it often). Saving Mezlo from bleeding out was one big point. I didn't do that because "Oh I'm Chaotic Good and a Chaotic Good PC wouldn't let someone die" I did it because that is what my character would have done regardless of her current arbitrary alignment description.

Seriously, alignment debates are why I'm glad that 4E just changed it to "Good, Unaligned and Evil" and 5E is doing away with it altogether. The biggest mistake I see is people RPing to an alignment when really the alignment is just the result of your actions and your character's personality and moral and ethical compass.

3) If anything Yyg has his eyes on me and/or Cid most of all, especially with some of the shenanigans we try to get past him.

[Mezlo]

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No. You're right. It's not. Taking a chance and firing a crossbow from behind the rogue after being warned about the repercussions... and then complaining that it's not your fault that you killed him. That's crying.

Killing Adam and then arguing that it wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face. That's crying.

Trying to convince me that you can fire an arrow through 100% fog cover and hit a target who has moved since the last time you could actually see him and then complaining that I won't let you. That's crying.

Casting your very first Fireball for low damage and then swearing off fireballs for the rest of your life because your bow is better damage. That's crying.

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Taking personal offense against Cid for trying to bullrush you when he watched you shoot a bolt into the back of Fire's head. That's crying.

Thinking everyone is out to get you and spewing you neurotic theories all over this forum and during the middle if each session. That's crying.

and all of that is an overreaction to what actually happened, lol

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and what neurotic theories do you speak of?

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you know what, it doesn't matter. unless you feel like continuing to attack me and my game play let's just end this and carry on. i won't change my character's game play however because you deemed to change my alignment. I'm going to continue playing exactly how I have been. And this should be fine with you since you think I've been playing from the chaotic / evil alignment anyways.

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and please call or PM me if you'd like to take this conversation further, you critiquing my game play and comments made during game play hardly merits "important notices."

[Yygdrasil]

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And me voicing my opinion of a change you plan to implement is hardly crying...

No. You're right. It's not. Taking a chance and firing a crossbow from behind the rogue after being warned about the repercussions... and then complaining that it's not your fault that you killed him. That's crying.

Killing Adam and then arguing that it wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face. That's crying.

Trying to convince me that you can fire an arrow through 100% fog cover and hit a target who has moved since the last time you could actually see him and then complaining that I won't let you. That's crying.

Casting your very first Fireball for low damage and then swearing off fireballs for the rest of your life because your bow is better damage. That's crying.

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Taking personal offense against Cid for trying to bullrush you when he watched you shoot a bolt into the back of Fire's head. That's crying.

Thinking everyone is out to get you and spewing you neurotic theories all over this forum and during the middle if each session. That's crying.

[Mezlo]

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"We'll see what you come up with next to throw at the Mez... /popcorn"

Because it's true.

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You cry and cry and cry about being singled out and targeted

And me voicing my opinion of a change you plan to implement is hardly crying...

[Yygdrasil]

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See this is what I don't get. You cry and cry and cry about being singled out and targeted and then you do this brazen arrogance thing where you say "Bring it on! Challenge the NAW!" or "Yes! Nerf the DAW! He is a threat to us all!" and even better... "We'll see what you come up with next to throw at the Mez... /popcorn"

Dude you can't complain that someone is targeting you and then paint a big red bullseye on your back.

You want me to nerf you? I can nerf you and make everyone else a god with one or 2 small tricks. Will I? Nope. Why? Because I'm not targeting you.

[Mezlo]

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Rest assured I'm not JUST watching you.

It's ok, I'm over it. We'll see what you come up next to throw at Mez... /popcorn

oh, and sure you are, lol...

[Yygdrasil]

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If it makes you feel any better, I'm also closely watching Armando's actions and determining if it's necessery to alter his alignment as well. Is he Good? Yes, he has nothing but the best intentions in mind. Is he Lawful? It's iffy. For instance, from where he was standing when you shot Firewind, it looked like cold-blooded murder (hence Cid charging you with the battlecry "you bastard"). Why then, would a Lawful Good Cleric, seeing this happen, do nothing to try and interrogate you afterword? Looked to him like you broke the law. Not only that, you broke the law AND killed a party member. He also hasn't chastized the rogues for their thefts... or Jarre for... idk... trying to stuff an old woman in a backpack. Torture, Armor spikes, pinning living creatures to the wall with immovable rods? Nothing about that sounds lawful. Greater GOOD? Poissble... Lawful? No.

Rest assured I'm not JUST watching you.

[Mezlo]

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LOL, ok... But don't cut and paste what the definitions of Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Evil are, and then say that my character is more evil based upon being predictable, killing Fire by accident, and then not showing remorse in the middle of a fight where we were being bombarded by fireballs. Thinking back on all the sessions we've had, my character is much more aligned with the Chaotic Neutral side rather than the Evil side. But do what you wish.

[Yygdrasil]

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you said, well fuck it, if you fail this time you hit fire. For what reason you decided to abandon the way you normally call critical failures and change to this

Yep, I changed the rule for 1 attack. You heard the terms and were given the chance to choose to do something else. Instead, you said "I'm cool with that" and continued. How is that my fault anymore? You could just as easily picked a different attack or a different target. You assumed you couldn't possibly critically fail (and the odds were 0.08%... we did the math) and yet you did. Hell... Fire is the one who died and he took it on the chin like a champ. His first words were "I guess I'll go re-roll a new character"... while you went off like a hurricane about how "this isn't how it's done" and "that's not fair" and "this is everyone's fault but mine". It's a game dude. You take things too personally, like I'm attacking you and not your character. You have to draw a line in the sand where you understand the differemce between in character and out of character.

Something unfavorable happened to your character. Get over it. Have I nerfed you? No. If anything, I just gave you a free ticket to not have to take shit from the party the next time you kill a party member.

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Are you going to get on Armando now for grappling??? Oh wait, probably not. He's kind of predictable with that though don't you think?

Armando's alignment isn't Chaotic. Yours is.

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But to try and force party members to be at odds with one another, and to try and ostracize and alienate certain party members is a bit petty, even for you.

I'm not alienating you. You do a really good job of that all on your own. Your attack on Adam caused the rest of the party to lash out at you. I didn't provoke that. Your behavior and defense of your actions caused the rift between you and the rest of the party, not me. You chose to take the risk of hitting Firewind, I just left you the option to back out. Your behavior afterwords when confronted with Cid's accusations pushed you two at odds.

What I'm doing is what is what I feel needs to be done to stabalize the rational behind your character's actions.

[Mezlo]

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I appologize for not letting you pick "Communist" as a class.

Still, my character has more traits and plays more along with the chaotic neutral than the evil side, hands down. Now, you're going to do whatever you want to do, because well, you'e the DM and that's what you do. But to try and force party members to be at odds with one another, and to try and ostracize and alienate certain party members is a bit petty, even for you.

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You're UNpredictable huh? So you mean to tell me that when we enter the next room, your first action isnt going to be "Gravity bow" and your second isnt going to be "Attack the biggest looking threat with a crossbow attack"?

Might not be. Depends what's in the room. Are you going to get on Armando now for grappling??? Oh wait, probably not. He's kind of predictable with that though don't you think?

[Yygdrasil]

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UNPREDICTABLE

You're UNpredictable huh? So you mean to tell me that when we enter the next room, your first action isnt going to be "Gravity bow" and your second isnt going to be "Attack the biggest looking threat with a crossbow attack"?

[Mezlo]

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You killed Fire... and regardless if it was an accident or not, you remained unphased by your actions. I think the most emotional reaction you had was "My bad". Lack of remorse. Lack of guilt. Lack of compassion. Lack of regret. Lack of emotion in general.

Wrong. My character was saddened by this... If anything, by metagaming, i was more pissed at you for making a retarded DM call, that never was called that was before. All other critical failures hurt the person doing the attack, period. This was the only time you said, well fuck it, if you fail this time you hit fire. For what reason you decided to abandon the way you normally call critical failures and change to this I dont know. Oh wait I know, to create more friction and divide the some party members ever further. I'm starting to see a pattern here.... Hmmmm....

[Yygdrasil]

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If anything, that was a reflex move to keep him from hoarding the treasure to himself sinc he wouldn't share the treasure with the party, which is my character's main goal, to divide all treasure evenly among us, which my character made quite obvoius.

I appologize for not letting you pick "Communist" as a class.