The E3 2011 thread

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Its long been confirmed that Project Cafe is backward compatible to Wii, which means the Wiimotes would still be viable and even applicable to Project Cafe games like the Gamecube controller can be used in various Wii games. Wiimote support will still be around and likely implemented for various games, it just will have to share the spotlight with the the more traditional control scheme. Though I do hope games that function better with a Wiimote aren't marginalized for the sake of appeasing people that want a traditional control scheme

There's just something sad about playing No More Heroes with traditional controller. Or forcing that to be the only option for FPS (looking at you Bioshock Infinite). I wouldn't expect the next Mario game (whatever that is for Cafe) to taking on the Galaxy approach again, though the control scheme for that worked great.

[Malacite]

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I had a thought yesterday.


It sounds like whatever this new console is, it's going to have a seemingly more standard controller - just with more features, like being its own console lol.

This immediately rings 2 bells in my head:

1) Price - This thing can't possibly be cheap like the Wii was if they're including this sort of tech.

2) There might not be motion control, again due to the controller and it being a portable device etc.


So what does this mean? It may very well mean that Nintendo will try a yet unheard of strategy - two active consoles at once. You have the Wii for the casual/motion control crowd, and this new system that's giving every indication (at least to me) for the more hardcore crowd. This just speculation on my part, but it's the vibe I'm getting based on everything I've read so far.

I'm actually really hoping this is the case, because Nintendo can still keep pushing Wii stuff - hardware sales are way down, but that's because so many people already have one. The market for software is still as strong as ever though. It's the hardcore crowd such as myself that have been turned off by Nintendo and gone over to MS & Sony to get our fix. This could very well turn out to be Nintendo's answer to that, and that's exactly what I'd love to see.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Basically as the PS3 of its generation.

Pretty much.

Gamecube was #2 in power, but not as powerful as Xbox and not as popular as Playstation. It was generally as affordable as a PS3 for years but suffered from not having the best version of the game most of the time (with rare exceptions) and more people had PS2s.

PS2 won out that generation on backward compatibility, affordability and a wide range of software. DVD was fresh and new, PS2 made it practical to have DVD movies in the home, too.

Once PSP and PS3 came around, it was like Sony forget everything that put them at #1 and inherited the former arrogance of Nintendo from the N64/GameCube era.

[Etra]

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Very nice E3 thread. Very, very nice.

You know, I was thinking the same thing.

[Yellow Mage]

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How did the Gamecube turn out?

Basically as the PS3 of its generation.

[DakAttack]

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How did the Gamecube turn out? I remember jamming on my N64, then hopping over to the Playstation, and then onto the huge Xbox. I remember playing Gamecube games, some of which were amazing, but I don't remember much else.

[Raydeus]

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Very nice E3 thread. Very, very nice.

[Yellow Mage]

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I give you reasons, but you insist on ignoring them because they're legitimate complaints

Hold that thought.

Ugh. I think I'm done with Nintendo if they're just going to roll out more and more gimmicks.

No one's arguing the gimmicks didn't bring in boatloads of cash BBQ.

I'm saying the gimmicks do nothing to add to my gaming experience and only serve to detract from it in a disproportionate number of cases.

I find it gets in the way of user input, so yes I'd call it fairly useless as an input device. But hey, that's just my experience and I'm clearly in the minority or it wouldn't be selling so damn well.

I don't see a valid complaint that extends beyond you. All of these can be summarized with "It is a gimmick because it doesn't work for me." Which is a completely legitimate complaint! For you. The rest of us will be playing Okami and Metroid Prime Trilogy and the like, and if you don't like it, well, nobody's forcing you to participate in our fun.

I mean, I could use your exact same arguments for something like Guitar Hero, and even more so for Rock Band (gimmicky controllers that are useless for most existing games), but a theoretical proponent of those arguments doesn't stop everybody else from enjoying it.

Sounds like someone's butthurt that I'm picking on Nintendo. What a surprise.

Sounds more like someone's butthurt that Nintendo isn't conforming. Last time Nintendo conformed, we got the Gamecube, and we all know how well that turned out.

The sooner you accept that conformity is just not something Nintendo does, the sooner we can all move on in constructive discussion.

[cidbahamut]

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Why not try having an actual reason behind your assertions rather than sounding like a bitter bitch 24/7? It really gets old.

I give you reasons, but you insist on ignoring them because they're legitimate complaints and undermine your position that this new motion control and other stuff is without flaw and should be unconditionally accepted.

[DakAttack]

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Nintendo made a lot of money off of people who don't play videos games. The reason the Wii's sales are slumping is because those people don't play video games. There were a lot of initial sales, but nothing sustained. Sony and Microsoft jumped onto the bandwagon like blind mice following the scent of cheese. It doesn't validate anything other than the belief that money makes the world go 'round.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Sounds like someone's butthurt that I'm picking on Nintendo. What a surprise.

Um, no. Given Apple, MS and Sony all engage in motion and touch control technology I'm kinda defending them all here along with Nintendo. My sister wants Kinect and there's one shooter that I think its kinda cool. I think Dance Central is a great game for Kinect.

I want Move, mostly for shooters so I can enjoy them just like I do on the Wii and I very much want Sony and Nintendo to keep moving forward with their respective versions for that reason. I want an iPad2 because I think its great - its not something I want games for exactly, but SE has some nice offerings there.

Why not try having an actual reason behind your assertions rather than sounding like a bitter bitch 24/7? It really gets old.

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Setting cid's nonsense aside:

- I have high hopes for the new Tomb Raider if they commit fully to the survival elements and blend them with the more classic platforming/puzzle approach. Survival added a nice edge to games like MGS3, even if they were silly at times.

- DX:HR is still looking very, very good. I hope this reboot goes well.

- MGS 3DS has some fun ideas layered into the remake, such as Photo Camo. Its exactly what it sounds like - create camo for Snake using the 3DS camera. They're also using the gyros to make climbing trees and crossing hanging bridges feel a little more perilous.

- Journey is still looking like a fascinating PSN game. The ability to wander and explore undirected and discover is a rare treat in games these days, but one I always enjoy. The co-up is unconventional, but cool.

- From Dust looks amazing. It may be the game Black and White and Doshin the Giant were always meant to be, just minus the giganitc, obnoxious deities. And Peter Molyneux's ego.

[cidbahamut]

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Sounds like someone's butthurt that I'm picking on Nintendo. What a surprise.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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No one's arguing the gimmicks didn't bring in boatloads of cash BBQ.

I'm saying the gimmicks do nothing to add to my gaming experience and only serve to detract from it in a disproportionate number of cases.

You keep using that word, "gimmick."




What it really means for you is something you just don't like, didn't really try to adapt to or perhaps just don't want to become comfortable with. In reality, a gimmick is just some trendy fad that eventually goes away. Something that ebbs and flows rather than permanently settles into place. Whether or not you find a place for it is totally irrelevant for the millions and millions of other people that do.

I don't watch TV. Its not a snobby, hipster tool thing that I do. Its just I've found other ways to access TV content that doesn't entail me to schedule my life around the TV, a DVR to record shows or a satallite feed I can delay and queue. None of that stuff is for me. I don't call those things gimmicks, though, because its not and those things clearly have applications for other people that have roommates or wives and children that want to watch something besides old episodes of Mythbusters and The X-Files like I would on Netflix.

I find it gets in the way of user input, so yes I'd call it fairly useless as an input device. But hey, that's just my experience and I'm clearly in the minority or it wouldn't be selling so damn well.

Things like motion controls and even 3D aren't things that instantly calibrate to your comfort zone. You'll find it interesting that the same exact thing applies to dual analog controllers for many, many games. Some people play with an inverted camera control scheme and other don't. Some games don't give you the option to change the control scheme.

I've heard people endlessly whine about MGS: Peacewalker's control scheme and I never once had a problem with it. I played shooters with face buttons functioning as the second analog stick for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. MGS isn't an FPS, but like those games, its generally not the run-and-gun affair that many FPS are. I can't even begin to imagine why someone would want to run and gun in a game about being undetected.

[cidbahamut]

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I find it gets in the way of user input, so yes I'd call it fairly useless as an input device. But hey, that's just my experience and I'm clearly in the minority or it wouldn't be selling so damn well.

[Kailea]

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No one's arguing the gimmicks didn't bring in boatloads of cash BBQ.

I'm saying the gimmicks do nothing to add to my gaming experience and only serve to detract from it in a disproportionate number of cases.

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Bad ones?

it is only a gimmick if it is a useless addition, and sorry but I found the addition of motion controls to be nice and refreshing to the standard controller, as I will this new idea, touch screen controller .