FF7 Remake: Should SE Rewrite it?

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My reasoning for wanting an FFVII is simply because there is so much in the original that is hard to decipher with models that have no detail and no expression apart from waving arms around.

It would be so much easier to understand and be attached to the characters with newer technology allowing better animation and expression through the characters. I'm all for voice acting (originally I wouldn't have), ever since I have watched Advent Children and played Crisis Core. I think they've done a good job with the English voice acting so far, and think that a lot of people who hate it really are just being nit-picky.

Anyway, I'd be very pleased if they do remake FFVII for the reason stated above and for the fact that they could fill up some of the holes in the original and add a bit that we've learnt through Crisis Core.

By the way, it is explained what happens from Crisis Core to FFVII in the original game. Tifa finds Cloud sitting spaced-out at a train station, and that's where he gains his head a bit (when I say a bit, I mean he still thinks he's Zack) and offers his services to AVALANCHE.

I'd just hope Nomura doesn't add a whole bunch of useless stuff like Dirge of Cerberus. Then again, Crisis Core went off without a hitch and it had some newer stuff...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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The only reason I have to suspect there's a forthcoming FFVII remake is the fact SE stopped pressing copies of FFVII entirely, even while the continued to make copies of stuff like Xenogears and Vagrant Story. This shortly around the time Advent Children was released.

Mighty suspicious, if you ask me.

Still, that doesn't mean its in the works right now. Nomura's got his head in other projects and it looks as though FFXIII is so huge that there isn't another FF main series sequel project to follow that. In fact, I whouldn't be suprised if FFVII were the next project and no other new FF came this gen besides the FFXIII games and FFVII.

I just hope and pray that after all that is done, FF is placed in new hands again, as it was with FFXII.

[TheGrandMom]

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The people who haven't already played FF7 aren't the ones asking for a remake, though.

You're right but there are plenty that are buying Crisis Core out of nostalgia and bragging about how good it is. Because of all this bragging and publicity, there are plenty of FF7 virgins picking up CC and enjoying it. Now they have a little juicy tidbit of FF7 and if there were a update of the game released, I'm quite sure a good number would jump on the bandwagon. Heck, some might even be joining the masses and whinin...I mean asking for a re-release already. LOL My whole point is that it would be a hit, it's a no-brainer for SE. I have to say I am shocked they haven't done it yet or at least annouced it. But maybe Advent Children, Crisis Core, etc are all just a way of getting the masses whipped into a froth to maximize their profit. From a business standpoint, I will be absolutely floored if a remake/update/whatever of FF7 is never released. But then again, the Japanese are somewhat of an enigma at times!

[Malacite]

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People hate FFVIII for not being as braindead easy to play as FFVII.

Are you shitting me? 8 is the easiest FF ever thanks to it's retardedly broken Limit Break System. Getting off topic here...

Also, I thought you'd all enjoy this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYbHNeiYBWA]YouTube - [PV] ayaka - Why (ayaka ver.)[/ame]


The music video of "Why", CC's ending theme. Nice piece ^^ and I also found someone's translation here; 'Why', Ayaka - lyrics translation request - FF7 Compilation.forums

Full Credit goes to hitoshura. Thanks for the translation!

The haze beyond your eyes clouds my sight,
Are there feelings lying at the bottom of your heart?

Even if the whole world was yours,
Would that that bring you happiness?

Why do you up at the lonesome sky?
Why, let's see you smile
I know what you're like,
How you aren't good at putting things into words, so why not...

What happened in days long past?
In your eyes, as turn your gaze away from me

Do you know of such a warmth,
One that can embrace you on those lonely nights by yourself?

Why are you so worked up on appearances?
Why, open up your heart
I know you've had a heavy cross to bear,
But I've got the strength to accept you
So why not try believing in me

The free are awkward...
The free are anxious...

Why do you look up at the lonesome sky?
Why, let's see you smile
I know what you're like,
How you aren't good at putting thing into words
So why not try believing in me

EDIT: I'd imagine FF13 is the reason it's taking them so long. Next Gen titles cost a shitload of money, and The Fabula Novala Crystalis project is actually bigger (and costlier) than the FF7 compilation. That said I can not believe Yoichi Wada had the balls to tell everyone after showing off that PS3 tech demo that they weren't planning a remake. That was either a gutsy PR stunt to build hype or one of the most retarded blunders in the industry. Kinda like how Blizzard fervently denied Star Craft 2 despite the fact that they later admitted they had been working on it since the Frozen Throne came out. That in itself though is mind boggling (yeah, let's NOT make a follow up the best selling PC game ever)


I'd love to see them revamp the other games too, but for now let's start with the big money maker and go from there. After all, the last time SE sunk most of their money into a big project it almost bankrupted them (I believe Sony actually sued Square quite a hefty sum for their losses from Spirits Within which in part lead to their merge with Enix. In any case that movie tanked and was horribly expensive)


And it's not like people wouldn't buy it in droves. Final Fantasy 1 has been remade 8 fucking times now and it still sells. You can't tell me a PS3 remake of FF7 wouldn't just cause a world-wide joygasm among RPG fans.

[Feba]

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Its been 10 years since the game was released and there are a fresh batch of gamers out there that haven't touched it.

The people who haven't already played FF7 aren't the ones asking for a remake, though. Quite honestly, anyone who would play a remake has probably already played the original. That's still a huge amount of gamers, but I don't think there are many people that would enjoy it at all that wouldn't play it because of the graphics.

[TheGrandMom]

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That would be quite pointless.

Additionally, I've never known SE to remove things that took place in a previous version of a game. There's really no harm to adding more content, areas and story to a new version of an old game. Expanding the cinematics and gameplay is more content, which is what I'd expect to be paying for, not just a simple gloss-over.

Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes was a complete gloss-over, and it didn't sell well for that reason.

I said updating the graphics (and this would include cutscenes) would be fine but I don't think there is any reason to add anything to a game that was so successful. And why would it be pointless? Its been 10 years since the game was released and there are a fresh batch of gamers out there that haven't touched it. They may have heard about it but most wouldn't put up with PS1 graphics in this day and age so they probably haven't played it. Add to that the faithful following of older gamers that would buy it again and a remake would be a hit. I personally think its a financial no-brainer for SE and I can't imagine wtf is taking them so long.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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FFVIII may have been a romance to some, but for me, it wasn't even that. It was just a bad story through and through, save for the Laguna subplots. People hate FFVIII for not being as braindead easy to play as FFVII. FFVIII was a RPG for advanced FF players, not newbies and it had a brutal learning curve to match. If you didn't master the Junction system, there was no real way for you to progress by the third disc.

FFX-2 was an extremely solid game on its gameplay merits, after that, to me, story can take a nosedive for all I care, gameplay was the saving grace of FFVIII for me, after all. FFX-2 was basically a hyper-active version of the FFV ATB system with real time job changes.

Blitzball sucked in FFX, I just skipped it in FFX-2, why experience the suck again? It wasn't even worth doing for Wakka's Ultimate weapon.

As for Cid... in most cases, he's been written with a southern accent. He always "reckons" this and that, I'd be disappointed if he didn't sound like redneck. The times he wasn't a hick, he was a foster parent, turned into a frog/oglop or you had to kill him.

[Feba]

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Voice acting?


Arrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Malacite]

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Crisis Core seems to add excuses for more sequel material, as did Dirge of Cerberus, but really, I just say remake FFVII and answer any questions created through the other games there, and then close the compilation. There's no need to drag it on, no matter how popular the story is.

QFT. This is why I say they ought to rewrite it to stay consistent with the recent erratas set by Crisis Core. Get off your lazy asses and give us that PS3 remake SE. I seriously doubt they'd have to worry about not enough people owning PS3's. If anything would sell that system it'd be FF7.

Remake it, make it freaking epic, and for god's sake TIE UP ALL THE LOOSE ENDS! No more of this vague BS for once in your company's history, please SE.


Also I second the "don't touch Kefka" thing. Gonna have to disagree on you though on FFX-2. Yes, it sold very well, but that was all hype. X-2 was a crappy game with a really bad plot. People bought it in droves because it was the first sequel to an FF game (a very good one at that) but then like most people I've asked, buyer's remorse set in. You couldn't even play Blitzball... just manage the team. How lame was that?


Also gotta disagree with you on the story thing. I found the story in FF8 quite compelling. People seriously hate on FF8 for the wrong reasons. My guess is that people just weren't up for a good romance story. As for FF9, it was cheesy nostalgic goodness and can only be appreciated by someone who's played FF's 1-8.


EDIT: Didn't see that Feba beat me to it >.>

Square has been getting a lot better with their translations as of late. The recent remake of 6 was great, and Tactics made a hell of a lot more sense this time around. As long as they don't use the entire cast of AC I think we'll be fine (Cid's voice was TERRIBLE... and IMO, they should get Mr. T to do Barret >.>b)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I would love to see FF7 UPDATED. I don't care for the term "remake" because to me that means they will add or delete things from the original to make it more appealing. If they want to update the graphics, thats fine but leave the game as it is and I'd love to see an updated version.

That would be quite pointless.

Additionally, I've never known SE to remove things that took place in a previous version of a game. There's really no harm to adding more content, areas and story to a new version of an old game. Expanding the cinematics and gameplay is more content, which is what I'd expect to be paying for, not just a simple gloss-over.

Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes was a complete gloss-over, and it didn't sell well for that reason.

[Feba]

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As to FF7, I think it's pretty obvious that if it's ever remade it will be rewritten.


I mean srsly, that translation are bad.

As to FF spinoffs, I'd personally like to see (and think there's a lot of possibility in) Vana'diel-based adventures. Rise of the Zilart; as the present day instead of ancient history, anyone? Plus, I could totally see them linking it to FFXI (Beat the game, get a code, give the code to a moogle and get some token item, etc.)

Before Crisis was a episodic cell phone game. If that isn't a way to completely bypass your fanbase, I don't know what is. Yeah, yeah, cell phone games are popular in Japan, whatever. They're not popular elsewhere.

My opinion has always been that I have no problem with them releasing cell phone games, even though they're hugely unpopular in the US, as long as they release them for PC download and offer emulators to run them. I mean, seriously, cell phones aren't exactly powerful crap. It wouldn't take much to just allow NA players to use it like any other PC game.

[TheGrandMom]

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I would love to see FF7 UPDATED. I don't care for the term "remake" because to me that means they will add or delete things from the original to make it more appealing. If they want to update the graphics, thats fine but leave the game as it is and I'd love to see an updated version.

[DieselBoy09]

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I want them to remake FF7 with COMPLETELY the original story. I understand that Crisis Core was amazing, some people liked Dirge, and others loved Advent, but really, I want things left they way they were. While I enjoy these FF7 side stories and such, I just consider it Square's bastardization of the original story for profit.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I'd rather FFVI didn't get touched with sequelitis. There's really no need for it and the DS remake has already been announced. (we're talking FFIII/FFIV DS-style remake, which is bold enough and as far as it needs to go, touch Kefka's laugh and I'll kill you).

Additionally, FFX-2 was a success by sales numbers, so it was very well-recieved. It was just not well-recieved by the image-obsessed American teenage/pre-teen male with access to internet forums. As a game, it was a pretty good one. As a story it was mediocre, but then, so was FFVII and FFVIII and anything else Nomura and Kitase touch these days.

The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII - like many multimedia compilations - has been hit or miss. Storywise, its been an attempt to fill a lot of plot holes in FFVII, but the problem is - as with other similar compilations - is that it seems make more holes than it fixes.

Before Crisis was a episodic cell phone game. If that isn't a way to completely bypass your fanbase, I don't know what is. Yeah, yeah, cell phone games are popular in Japan, whatever. They're not popular elsewhere. It would have been better off as a Nintendo DS or PSP production to hit the widest audience possible. But that's a mistake SE clearly won't learn from, they're already working a FFXIII cellphone game nobody will ever play.

Advent Children had a lot going against it, but for the most part was a success in story, music and CG work. It far-exceeded Spirits Within even if it had just as many plot holes.

Dirge of Cerberus was an average game and a decent story. Did what it really needed to do - flesh out Vincent and Reeve's stories and the schemes of Hojo to an end. The whole Deepground thing was a bit much and Weiss didn't get a lot of character development, but in terms of telling Vincent's story they did fairly good.

Crisis Core seems to add excuses for more sequel material, as did Dirge of Cerberus, but really, I just say remake FFVII and answer any questions created through the other games there, and then close the compilation. There's no need to drag it on, no matter how popular the story is.

[LadyKiKi]

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I think it was explained in some novels, but how about the "blank period" between Crisis Core and FF7? All we see if Cloud on top of a train with half a shoulder pad missing. What went on (I think he met Tifa who convinced him into Avalanche) between that? There's still some possibility of stories there. Perhaps it would also tie up loose ends, especially with the Turks.

FFX-2 problem was the cheesy characters/music/environment. FFX was serious as shit really (with massive debates about the storyline), FFX-2 turned it all around with a shitty (kinda) ending to match, along with Tidus/Yuna clones (am I seeing a pattern?).

Unfortunately I'm unable to comment on DoC due to my dislike for the game's system. But I'm aware of the story, somewhat.